Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult one for me. I grew up in an evangelical church where I was preached to about homosexuality being a sin and how gay marriage would open the door to anything and everything.

I didn’t really know what to think, and grew up to become a moderate voter who has some progressive beliefs. I’m hardly conservative but not very liberal either.

Now I’m really concerned the minister and others were right. Now gay marriage is legal and we have drag queen events at my local bookstore in a small town. The transgender kid thing is bizarre and doesn’t make sense. I was recently asked at the on-gyn if I identify as a woman or man or if I’m a man or woman. It seems like gay marriage has made everything worse. I don’t want homosexuality in my face and don’t want my kids exposed at a young age. It used to be a fringe lifestyle and now it’s something young kids are exposed to on a regular basis. Make it stop.

Why? Because gay people forming families in a manner you are unfamiliar with makes you uncomfortable? Sounds like a you problem. The solution to your being uncomfortable should be solved by making LGBTQ people more uncomfortable by shoving them back in the closet. LGBTQ has always existed and will always exist and no one should have their family marginalized because your issues. It should be solved by asking “what would Jesus do”? And I realize your preacher taught you the answer was hatred and fear. But the Bible is pretty clear that you should lead with love, empathy and an effort to understand and accept others.

I grew up in the rural South in a conservative church without trans kids too. And I’m not going to pretend that I “get” it. What I do get, especially after talking with—and much more importantly listening too— my own college aged children and my friends with non-binary and trans kids, is that these are very vulnerable kids and a large percentage commit suicide. I would rather feel uncomfortable with the increased visibility of trans kids than have those kids kill themselves because they are square pegs who cannot not fit through round holes.

And BTW, gay marriage didn’t “cause” kids to become trans. What it did was allow kids who were already trans to finally get the help and support they needed.

And drag shows/ drag Queen story hours have been around forever. They are just more visible because RWNJs think people like you will be outraged enough to vote for Trump. And, to be fair, your most makes it clear they are right. If they bother you, don’t go.

I disagree with the bolded pretty strongly. While gay marriage doesn't cause kids to be trans, when the whole gay movement went from LGB to LGBT, it condoned T to the point where it has become a fad of sorts. There is no way in hell the number of kids who claim to be trans are actually trans. And, wth is nonbinary? That does not make sense to me.

If you don't "condone" the T, then what do you do to trans people? Condemn it? Asking as the trans person that posts here. Trans people aren't new. I was a trans kid before I was a trans adult. Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/3302B4AD-861A-43C5-ADD03329663989CF_source.jpg?w=2000&h=1123&37A79A24-142B-40EF-975592014E5D507D

It’s not ridiculous to posit that gay children are being converted into trans women or men. Look at Iran.

No. It is, in fact, ridiculous. Link to some sort of proof or sit down.

Since we’re not allowed to be gender critical because that’s what right wingers do and they’re bigots, shouldn’t it be concerning that the most homophobic countries are the ones that are most trans-friendly?

Sorry, here’s some proof: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/43079/pdf/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/12/nhs-clinic-transing-gay-away/

I can certainly link more, that was just my first Google.

Okay, so because an advocate group in Great Britain that admits it is unrecognized and unfounded and has a theory on how to stop trans? And a Telegraph article behind a paywall.

That’s not proof. That’s one “unfounded, unrecognized” groups opinion. And a paywall. I meant science. Or at least social science.

Did you check out the LGB Alliance?

That organization is started and run largely by conservative Christians in the UK. It was started by a straight cisgender white woman and claims to be representative of LGB people in England but has very few actual queer members.

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Transgender people are so new. One wrote this in the 14th century.
https://opensiddur.org/prayers/civic-calendar/international-civil-calendar/transgender-day-of-visibility/prayer-of-kalonymus-from-sefer-even-bohan-1322/

And of course there's the Roman emperor Elagabalus who offered money if someone could find a way to allow him to transition.

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I’d just like to say again that the Talmud lists 6 genders. Thousands of years ago, they knew gender wasn’t binary.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult one for me. I grew up in an evangelical church where I was preached to about homosexuality being a sin and how gay marriage would open the door to anything and everything.

I didn’t really know what to think, and grew up to become a moderate voter who has some progressive beliefs. I’m hardly conservative but not very liberal either.

Now I’m really concerned the minister and others were right. Now gay marriage is legal and we have drag queen events at my local bookstore in a small town. The transgender kid thing is bizarre and doesn’t make sense. I was recently asked at the on-gyn if I identify as a woman or man or if I’m a man or woman. It seems like gay marriage has made everything worse. I don’t want homosexuality in my face and don’t want my kids exposed at a young age. It used to be a fringe lifestyle and now it’s something young kids are exposed to on a regular basis. Make it stop.

Why? Because gay people forming families in a manner you are unfamiliar with makes you uncomfortable? Sounds like a you problem. The solution to your being uncomfortable should be solved by making LGBTQ people more uncomfortable by shoving them back in the closet. LGBTQ has always existed and will always exist and no one should have their family marginalized because your issues. It should be solved by asking “what would Jesus do”? And I realize your preacher taught you the answer was hatred and fear. But the Bible is pretty clear that you should lead with love, empathy and an effort to understand and accept others.

I grew up in the rural South in a conservative church without trans kids too. And I’m not going to pretend that I “get” it. What I do get, especially after talking with—and much more importantly listening too— my own college aged children and my friends with non-binary and trans kids, is that these are very vulnerable kids and a large percentage commit suicide. I would rather feel uncomfortable with the increased visibility of trans kids than have those kids kill themselves because they are square pegs who cannot not fit through round holes.

And BTW, gay marriage didn’t “cause” kids to become trans. What it did was allow kids who were already trans to finally get the help and support they needed.

And drag shows/ drag Queen story hours have been around forever. They are just more visible because RWNJs think people like you will be outraged enough to vote for Trump. And, to be fair, your most makes it clear they are right. If they bother you, don’t go.

I disagree with the bolded pretty strongly. While gay marriage doesn't cause kids to be trans, when the whole gay movement went from LGB to LGBT, it condoned T to the point where it has become a fad of sorts. There is no way in hell the number of kids who claim to be trans are actually trans. And, wth is nonbinary? That does not make sense to me.

If you don't "condone" the T, then what do you do to trans people? Condemn it? Asking as the trans person that posts here. Trans people aren't new. I was a trans kid before I was a trans adult. Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/3302B4AD-861A-43C5-ADD03329663989CF_source.jpg?w=2000&h=1123&37A79A24-142B-40EF-975592014E5D507D

It’s not ridiculous to posit that gay children are being converted into trans women or men. Look at Iran.

No. It is, in fact, ridiculous. Link to some sort of proof or sit down.

Since we’re not allowed to be gender critical because that’s what right wingers do and they’re bigots, shouldn’t it be concerning that the most homophobic countries are the ones that are most trans-friendly?

Not necessarily. Being trans has been a thing in some Eastern cultures going back millennia. Being trans and being gay are completely different things. What they have in common is sex organs and being a minority. Which are both flashing red lights for the God and guns crowd.

This is a ridiculous lie that your lying movement keeps telling. I’m from one of the cultures that trans activists love to cite as “recognizing” transgenderism and its a damn lie. Absolutely no one in any culture before white Americans and Europeans invented transgenderism has ever thought that men that want to be women are actually women. Ottomans didn’t think eunuchs were women. Polynesians didn’t think Faafine were women. South Asians don’t think hijiira are women. The Touareg men who wear makeup are fully gender-conforming in their culture because pageantry is a MALE pursuit in Touareg culture.

All of these cultures recognize that gender non-confirming men are still men even if they are allowed around women as long as they are not attracted to women.

“Trans women are women” is a Western invention that you’re trying to cram into other cultures’ mouths. It’s very racist, very dishonest, very disgusting. Own your own cultural inventions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Transgender people are so new. One wrote this in the 14th century.
https://opensiddur.org/prayers/civic-calendar/international-civil-calendar/transgender-day-of-visibility/prayer-of-kalonymus-from-sefer-even-bohan-1322/

And of course there's the Roman emperor Elagabalus who offered money if someone could find a way to allow him to transition.

All this proves is that gender non-conforming men and men with gender dysphoria have long existed.

It does NOT prove that trans women are actually women and should have access to women’s spaces and sports as a matter of right. THAT key lie and power grab that your movement keeps trying to sneak on society is why you have met with backlash. A gender dysphoric male remains a male whether or not he likes it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just tired of the acceptance of exhibitionism when it comes to all things Pride.
Why? Why is this necessary? And, why in front of children?
Do what you want in the privacy of your home.

Being topless in NYC is legal for all men and all women all year long. I would say that if you saw this in public and you were with a child, you can take your child away from the situation. This is true whether is a group of lesbians as in the video or a single straight woman choosing to walk topless down the street.

Making it legal does not make it right.

Your puritan morals, ethics, and standards are not facts. You and your morals are not right.

So you think this is ok to expose children to?

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Anonymous wrote:I am just tired of the acceptance of exhibitionism when it comes to all things Pride.
Why? Why is this necessary? And, why in front of children?
Do what you want in the privacy of your home.

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Why, exactly, do these people feel the need to strip down in public? What is the point? This is a perfect example of the LGBT community *not wanting* to just be left alone to live their lives like everyone else. No, they want to be loud, proud, and in your face, as much as possible. Can someone please explain why?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult one for me. I grew up in an evangelical church where I was preached to about homosexuality being a sin and how gay marriage would open the door to anything and everything.

I didn’t really know what to think, and grew up to become a moderate voter who has some progressive beliefs. I’m hardly conservative but not very liberal either.

Now I’m really concerned the minister and others were right. Now gay marriage is legal and we have drag queen events at my local bookstore in a small town. The transgender kid thing is bizarre and doesn’t make sense. I was recently asked at the on-gyn if I identify as a woman or man or if I’m a man or woman. It seems like gay marriage has made everything worse. I don’t want homosexuality in my face and don’t want my kids exposed at a young age. It used to be a fringe lifestyle and now it’s something young kids are exposed to on a regular basis. Make it stop.

Why? Because gay people forming families in a manner you are unfamiliar with makes you uncomfortable? Sounds like a you problem. The solution to your being uncomfortable should be solved by making LGBTQ people more uncomfortable by shoving them back in the closet. LGBTQ has always existed and will always exist and no one should have their family marginalized because your issues. It should be solved by asking “what would Jesus do”? And I realize your preacher taught you the answer was hatred and fear. But the Bible is pretty clear that you should lead with love, empathy and an effort to understand and accept others.

I grew up in the rural South in a conservative church without trans kids too. And I’m not going to pretend that I “get” it. What I do get, especially after talking with—and much more importantly listening too— my own college aged children and my friends with non-binary and trans kids, is that these are very vulnerable kids and a large percentage commit suicide. I would rather feel uncomfortable with the increased visibility of trans kids than have those kids kill themselves because they are square pegs who cannot not fit through round holes.

And BTW, gay marriage didn’t “cause” kids to become trans. What it did was allow kids who were already trans to finally get the help and support they needed.

And drag shows/ drag Queen story hours have been around forever. They are just more visible because RWNJs think people like you will be outraged enough to vote for Trump. And, to be fair, your most makes it clear they are right. If they bother you, don’t go.

I disagree with the bolded pretty strongly. While gay marriage doesn't cause kids to be trans, when the whole gay movement went from LGB to LGBT, it condoned T to the point where it has become a fad of sorts. There is no way in hell the number of kids who claim to be trans are actually trans. And, wth is nonbinary? That does not make sense to me.

If you don't "condone" the T, then what do you do to trans people? Condemn it? Asking as the trans person that posts here. Trans people aren't new. I was a trans kid before I was a trans adult. Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/3302B4AD-861A-43C5-ADD03329663989CF_source.jpg?w=2000&h=1123&37A79A24-142B-40EF-975592014E5D507D

It’s not ridiculous to posit that gay children are being converted into trans women or men. Look at Iran.

No. It is, in fact, ridiculous. Link to some sort of proof or sit down.

Since we’re not allowed to be gender critical because that’s what right wingers do and they’re bigots, shouldn’t it be concerning that the most homophobic countries are the ones that are most trans-friendly?

Not necessarily. Being trans has been a thing in some Eastern cultures going back millennia. Being trans and being gay are completely different things. What they have in common is sex organs and being a minority. Which are both flashing red lights for the God and guns crowd.

I’d love some links to proof that historical cultures have decided the case regarding transgenderism.

Decided what case against trans people? Are they on trial?

But yes, many eastern cultures have historically accepted trans people.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-west-can-learn-from-southeast-asias-transgender-heritage

Is PBS too Woke on this issue?

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

How about the BBC?

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20170720-the-semi-sacred-third-gender-of-south-asia

http://warwickglobalist.com/2016/01/31/transgender-culture-in-the-middle-east-and-asia/arts-culture/

Have you never studied non-western history or culture?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult one for me. I grew up in an evangelical church where I was preached to about homosexuality being a sin and how gay marriage would open the door to anything and everything.

I didn’t really know what to think, and grew up to become a moderate voter who has some progressive beliefs. I’m hardly conservative but not very liberal either.

Now I’m really concerned the minister and others were right. Now gay marriage is legal and we have drag queen events at my local bookstore in a small town. The transgender kid thing is bizarre and doesn’t make sense. I was recently asked at the on-gyn if I identify as a woman or man or if I’m a man or woman. It seems like gay marriage has made everything worse. I don’t want homosexuality in my face and don’t want my kids exposed at a young age. It used to be a fringe lifestyle and now it’s something young kids are exposed to on a regular basis. Make it stop.

Why? Because gay people forming families in a manner you are unfamiliar with makes you uncomfortable? Sounds like a you problem. The solution to your being uncomfortable should be solved by making LGBTQ people more uncomfortable by shoving them back in the closet. LGBTQ has always existed and will always exist and no one should have their family marginalized because your issues. It should be solved by asking “what would Jesus do”? And I realize your preacher taught you the answer was hatred and fear. But the Bible is pretty clear that you should lead with love, empathy and an effort to understand and accept others.

I grew up in the rural South in a conservative church without trans kids too. And I’m not going to pretend that I “get” it. What I do get, especially after talking with—and much more importantly listening too— my own college aged children and my friends with non-binary and trans kids, is that these are very vulnerable kids and a large percentage commit suicide. I would rather feel uncomfortable with the increased visibility of trans kids than have those kids kill themselves because they are square pegs who cannot not fit through round holes.

And BTW, gay marriage didn’t “cause” kids to become trans. What it did was allow kids who were already trans to finally get the help and support they needed.

And drag shows/ drag Queen story hours have been around forever. They are just more visible because RWNJs think people like you will be outraged enough to vote for Trump. And, to be fair, your most makes it clear they are right. If they bother you, don’t go.

I disagree with the bolded pretty strongly. While gay marriage doesn't cause kids to be trans, when the whole gay movement went from LGB to LGBT, it condoned T to the point where it has become a fad of sorts. There is no way in hell the number of kids who claim to be trans are actually trans. And, wth is nonbinary? That does not make sense to me.

If you don't "condone" the T, then what do you do to trans people? Condemn it? Asking as the trans person that posts here. Trans people aren't new. I was a trans kid before I was a trans adult. Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/3302B4AD-861A-43C5-ADD03329663989CF_source.jpg?w=2000&h=1123&37A79A24-142B-40EF-975592014E5D507D

It’s not ridiculous to posit that gay children are being converted into trans women or men. Look at Iran.

No. It is, in fact, ridiculous. Link to some sort of proof or sit down.

Since we’re not allowed to be gender critical because that’s what right wingers do and they’re bigots, shouldn’t it be concerning that the most homophobic countries are the ones that are most trans-friendly?

Sorry, here’s some proof: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/43079/pdf/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/12/nhs-clinic-transing-gay-away/

I can certainly link more, that was just my first Google.

Okay, so because an advocate group in Great Britain that admits it is unrecognized and unfounded and has a theory on how to stop trans? And a Telegraph article behind a paywall.

That’s not proof. That’s one “unfounded, unrecognized” groups opinion. And a paywall. I meant science. Or at least social science.

Did you check out the LGB Alliance?

As I said, a group that describes itself as “unfounded” and “unrecognized” and wrote a position paper. Not exactly peer reviewed stuff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am just tired of the acceptance of exhibitionism when it comes to all things Pride.
Why? Why is this necessary? And, why in front of children?
Do what you want in the privacy of your home.

Being topless in NYC is legal for all men and all women all year long. I would say that if you saw this in public and you were with a child, you can take your child away from the situation. This is true whether is a group of lesbians as in the video or a single straight woman choosing to walk topless down the street.

Making it legal does not make it right.

Your puritan morals, ethics, and standards are not facts. You and your morals are not right.

So you think this is ok to expose children to?

I'm sorry, but this is just unreal. My gay sibling would rather die than expose himself in public. What is this NEED to be an exhibitionist? Why do some in the LGBT community feel this compulsion? It's beyond bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult one for me. I grew up in an evangelical church where I was preached to about homosexuality being a sin and how gay marriage would open the door to anything and everything.

I didn’t really know what to think, and grew up to become a moderate voter who has some progressive beliefs. I’m hardly conservative but not very liberal either.

Now I’m really concerned the minister and others were right. Now gay marriage is legal and we have drag queen events at my local bookstore in a small town. The transgender kid thing is bizarre and doesn’t make sense. I was recently asked at the on-gyn if I identify as a woman or man or if I’m a man or woman. It seems like gay marriage has made everything worse. I don’t want homosexuality in my face and don’t want my kids exposed at a young age. It used to be a fringe lifestyle and now it’s something young kids are exposed to on a regular basis. Make it stop.

Why? Because gay people forming families in a manner you are unfamiliar with makes you uncomfortable? Sounds like a you problem. The solution to your being uncomfortable should be solved by making LGBTQ people more uncomfortable by shoving them back in the closet. LGBTQ has always existed and will always exist and no one should have their family marginalized because your issues. It should be solved by asking “what would Jesus do”? And I realize your preacher taught you the answer was hatred and fear. But the Bible is pretty clear that you should lead with love, empathy and an effort to understand and accept others.

I grew up in the rural South in a conservative church without trans kids too. And I’m not going to pretend that I “get” it. What I do get, especially after talking with—and much more importantly listening too— my own college aged children and my friends with non-binary and trans kids, is that these are very vulnerable kids and a large percentage commit suicide. I would rather feel uncomfortable with the increased visibility of trans kids than have those kids kill themselves because they are square pegs who cannot not fit through round holes.

And BTW, gay marriage didn’t “cause” kids to become trans. What it did was allow kids who were already trans to finally get the help and support they needed.

And drag shows/ drag Queen story hours have been around forever. They are just more visible because RWNJs think people like you will be outraged enough to vote for Trump. And, to be fair, your most makes it clear they are right. If they bother you, don’t go.

I disagree with the bolded pretty strongly. While gay marriage doesn't cause kids to be trans, when the whole gay movement went from LGB to LGBT, it condoned T to the point where it has become a fad of sorts. There is no way in hell the number of kids who claim to be trans are actually trans. And, wth is nonbinary? That does not make sense to me.

If you don't "condone" the T, then what do you do to trans people? Condemn it? Asking as the trans person that posts here. Trans people aren't new. I was a trans kid before I was a trans adult. Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/3302B4AD-861A-43C5-ADD03329663989CF_source.jpg?w=2000&h=1123&37A79A24-142B-40EF-975592014E5D507D

It’s not ridiculous to posit that gay children are being converted into trans women or men. Look at Iran.

No. It is, in fact, ridiculous. Link to some sort of proof or sit down.

Since we’re not allowed to be gender critical because that’s what right wingers do and they’re bigots, shouldn’t it be concerning that the most homophobic countries are the ones that are most trans-friendly?

Not necessarily. Being trans has been a thing in some Eastern cultures going back millennia. Being trans and being gay are completely different things. What they have in common is sex organs and being a minority. Which are both flashing red lights for the God and guns crowd.

I’d love some links to proof that historical cultures have decided the case regarding transgenderism.

Decided what case against trans people? Are they on trial?

But yes, many eastern cultures have historically accepted trans people.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-west-can-learn-from-southeast-asias-transgender-heritage

Is PBS too Woke on this issue?

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

How about the BBC?

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20170720-the-semi-sacred-third-gender-of-south-asia

http://warwickglobalist.com/2016/01/31/transgender-culture-in-the-middle-east-and-asia/arts-culture/

Have you never studied non-western history or culture?

Lie.

A minority of Eastern cultures allowed gender non-conforming men to cross-dress full-time. Many more considered that an abomination. Even among the cultures who allowed men to live as their best imitation of women, the most these men could hope for is to be considered a separate group from regular men. They were not considered women.

And the fact that it was virtually always MEN afforded this privilege bolsters the argument that transvestitism is first and foremost an expression of MALE privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just tired of the acceptance of exhibitionism when it comes to all things Pride.
Why? Why is this necessary? And, why in front of children?
Do what you want in the privacy of your home.

Being topless in NYC is legal for all men and all women all year long. I would say that if you saw this in public and you were with a child, you can take your child away from the situation. This is true whether is a group of lesbians as in the video or a single straight woman choosing to walk topless down the street.

Making it legal does not make it right.

Your puritan morals, ethics, and standards are not facts. You and your morals are not right.

So you think this is ok to expose children to?

I think it's fine for them to be topless in public. If someone thinks it's inappropriate for their children to see the upper half of a woman's body then they should remove their children from people that choose to be naked from the waist up. It's incumbent on you as a parent to police your morals. It's not the job of every other human on the planet to conform to your standards.

They are not just topless. They are totally nude. Men.

Why? Why is this necessary? What is the point?

+1
Those poor kids. Those poor bicycle seats.

[Anonymous]

ITT we have people justifying parents bringing their children to see naked men exposing their penises in public. “Groomer” is too kind a word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ITT we have people justifying parents bringing their children to see naked men exposing their penises in public. “Groomer” is too kind a word.

Amen. Why in the world isn’t Densantis putting a stop to allowing those poor kids on nude beaches?he has the legislature. And the Courts. He could stop it tomorrow. But he lets Florida!an groomer roam free. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just tired of the acceptance of exhibitionism when it comes to all things Pride.
Why? Why is this necessary? And, why in front of children?
Do what you want in the privacy of your home.

Being topless in NYC is legal for all men and all women all year long. I would say that if you saw this in public and you were with a child, you can take your child away from the situation. This is true whether is a group of lesbians as in the video or a single straight woman choosing to walk topless down the street.

Making it legal does not make it right.

Your puritan morals, ethics, and standards are not facts. You and your morals are not right.

So you think this is ok to expose children to?

I think it's fine for them to be topless in public. If someone thinks it's inappropriate for their children to see the upper half of a woman's body then they should remove their children from people that choose to be naked from the waist up. It's incumbent on you as a parent to police your morals. It's not the job of every other human on the planet to conform to your standards.

They are not just topless. They are totally nude. Men.

Why? Why is this necessary? What is the point?

From their signs it looks like a body positivity movement. Personally, I have few objections to nudity that is not sexualized. If people are riding bikes nekkid or dancing in a fountain, it seems pretty joyful and benign to me.

That’s what I love most about nudists. At least where I live, it’s different ages and body types. They promote feeling good and accepting yourself and others. It’s not sexual.

That's lovely. They can take their promotion of feeling good to nudist camps and other places where it is legal. Not on public streets.

Why is it okay to take your child to a nude beach in Florida (legal) and not a Pride parade with some (illegal) nudity. If children must be protected from parents who would expose them to nudity, why is t DeSantis doing something. A child on a nude beach seems a lot worse than putting a rainbow on a 1st grade door on St. Patrick’s Day. But, DeSantisites are too busy policing rainbows in elementary schools t address nude beaches that allow minors. Talk about ass-backward values.

I don't think children should be allowed in either scenario - however, are people twerking and simulating sex acts on a nude beach? No. It's not sexualized at all, it's just a bunch of nude people. Again, I think it should be illegal to bring children to any of these places where adults are exposing themselves. But one is clearly sexualized and the other is not.
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