Question about the homophobia thread

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

No, I am not confusing anything. I am advocating for the rights of women (adult human females) to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

+ a million.

This is exactly what feminists worldwide are fighting for, but they are told to STFU and censored in the US.

Only the trans-exclusionary feminists.

All of the other feminists want to protect ALL women.

The New Oxford Dictionary defines
feminism as “the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the SEXES.”

SEXES. Not gender. Or is this just another definition that has changed?

Inclusive feminists want to protect rights for ALL women.

So then the definition of feminism HAS changed. Thanks for clarifying. It’s so hard to keep up these days.

It has always been about protecting “women”, not “females”.

I think you’re being disingenuous with this. When the women’s movement started, it wasn’t about people who “feel” like women. It was about females (which back then were also called women because they were considered one and the same). If you can find me any literature from the beginning of the women’s movement that talks about equal rights for all women (even those who just feel like women), I’d love to see it.

It’s always been about women.

The definition of woman has expanded over time.

It’s always been about females. I think you know this.

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I frankly don't get the bathroom issue. It's not a matter of choice but biology.

You have male biology, either by birth or by surgery --> you use male's bathroom.

You have female biology, either by birth or by surgery --> you use female's bathroom.

You are neither, either by birth or by surgery --> you are among the 1 per thousandth in the population with more pressing issues to solve.

Here is what happens when you think solutions are easier than they really are:

That's the "1 per thousandth in the population", at most.

Either that or something is going on in the US (water pollution?) that doesn't not happen anywhere else.

Other trans men pictures below. You probably see people early in transition and think you can always tell.

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Posting pictures of trans individuals who successfully “pass” is irrelevant. People are free to identify as whichever gender they like but sex is immutable.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

+ a million.

This is exactly what feminists worldwide are fighting for, but they are told to STFU and censored in the US.

Only the trans-exclusionary feminists.

All of the other feminists want to protect ALL women.

The New Oxford Dictionary defines
feminism as “the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the SEXES.”

SEXES. Not gender. Or is this just another definition that has changed?

Inclusive feminists want to protect rights for ALL women.

So then the definition of feminism HAS changed. Thanks for clarifying. It’s so hard to keep up these days.

It has always been about protecting “women”, not “females”.

Women are adult human females.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

I think you are the one who is confused. Humans are sexually dimorphic. Females produce eggs and males produce sperm. Adult human females are women and adult human males are men. Some males/females identify with the opposite sex based on their feelings. This does not mean they are the opposite sex.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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I frankly don't get the bathroom issue. It's not a matter of choice but biology.

You have male biology, either by birth or by surgery --> you use male's bathroom.

You have female biology, either by birth or by surgery --> you use female's bathroom.

You are neither, either by birth or by surgery --> you are among the 1 per thousandth in the population with more pressing issues to solve.

Here is what happens when you think solutions are easier than they really are:

That's the "1 per thousandth in the population", at most.

Either that or something is going on in the US (water pollution?) that doesn't not happen anywhere else.

Other trans men pictures below. You probably see people early in transition and think you can always tell.

Again, that's "1 per thousandth in the population", at most.

Basing general public policy on the very particular needs of "1 per thousandth in the population", at most, is senseless and likely to backfire on that "1 per thousandth in the population".

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

No, I am not confusing anything. I am advocating for the rights of women (adult human females) to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people.

Most issues women face are created from society/culture (women), not biology (female).

Real issues like conservatives taking away bodily autonomy, pay inequality, etc. Not fake issues like does the person in the next bathroom stall have different genitalia.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

I think you are the one who is confused. Humans are sexually dimorphic. Females produce eggs and males produce sperm. Adult human females are women and adult human males are men. Some males/females identify with the opposite sex based on their feelings. This does not mean they are the opposite sex.

You are explaining reproduction. Sex, not gender. That’s not the debate here at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posting pictures of trans individuals who successfully “pass” is irrelevant. People are free to identify as whichever gender they like but sex is immutable.

Ok. And we are discussing gender here so identity is what matters.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

+ a million.

This is exactly what feminists worldwide are fighting for, but they are told to STFU and censored in the US.

Only the trans-exclusionary feminists.

All of the other feminists want to protect ALL women.

The New Oxford Dictionary defines
feminism as “the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the SEXES.”

SEXES. Not gender. Or is this just another definition that has changed?

Inclusive feminists want to protect rights for ALL women.

So then the definition of feminism HAS changed. Thanks for clarifying. It’s so hard to keep up these days.

It has always been about protecting “women”, not “females”.

I think you’re being disingenuous with this. When the women’s movement started, it wasn’t about people who “feel” like women. It was about females (which back then were also called women because they were considered one and the same). If you can find me any literature from the beginning of the women’s movement that talks about equal rights for all women (even those who just feel like women), I’d love to see it.

It’s always been about women.

The definition of woman has expanded over time.

It’s always been about females. I think you know this.

No, because the issues have always been about constraints imposed by society, not biology.

Gender, not sex.

Feminism is about women and their challenges imposed by society.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

No, I am not confusing anything. I am advocating for the rights of women (adult human females) to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people.

Most issues women face are created from society/culture (women), not biology (female).

Real issues like conservatives taking away bodily autonomy, pay inequality, etc. Not fake issues like does the person in the next bathroom stall have different genitalia.

DP. All of the societal issues females face are ultimately biological. They’re inextricable.

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Anonymous wrote:Posting pictures of trans individuals who successfully “pass” is irrelevant. People are free to identify as whichever gender they like but sex is immutable.

Ok. And we are discussing gender here so identity is what matters.

Oh please not back to this.

I identify as a Nigerian prince and my best friend as a carnivore giraffe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

No, I am not confusing anything. I am advocating for the rights of women (adult human females) to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people.

Most issues women face are created from society/culture (women), not biology (female).

Real issues like conservatives taking away bodily autonomy, pay inequality, etc. Not fake issues like does the person in the next bathroom stall have different genitalia.

DP. All of the societal issues females face are ultimately biological. They’re inextricable.

What are the “biological reasons” why women are paid less for the same work?

What are the “biological reasons” why men think they should control what happens to women’s bodies?

What are the “biological reasons” why women have less resources for athletics?

What are the “biological reasons” that we haven’t have a woman president in the US?

What were the “biological reasons” why women couldn’t own property or have their own credit card?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the facility would be happy to look for another specialist who isn't a bigot.

You CANNOT be serious. Doctors are hired for their medical expertise, not their political or personal beliefs.

You would go see a dermatologist who believes in white supremacy?

I’m not the PP but wow does this comment demonstrate your remarkable privilege. You are clearly telegraphing how young, white, fully-abled, thin, and AMAB you are here.

Anyone who is not as favored by the medical establishment as you are lives in a very different world. There is so much deep bias in medicine against women, against the elderly, against the disabled, against POCs, etc, that those of us in these categories already know we’ve been treated by care providers who are bigoted against us. If women started demanding that any provider who held a bigoted view of women leave the field, we’d have many fewer professionals left to treat us. I think if you made the same demand with respect to beliefs about obesity, there might not literally be a single doctor left practicing in the country.

I’m kind of shocked by your entitlement and cluelessness here but I guess I shouldn’t be.

Nope. And I absolutely do stop going to doctors I discover are bigoted.

That is a privilege most people don’t have.

Of course they do. No one is forcing you to see a particular doctor.

Well, maybe if you're captive at a mental health facility. Then you are forced to see whoever they can scrape up.

I am the mental healthcare facility doctor. Thank you for showing your true colors.
I will continue to provide excellent healthcare to my patients (even though to you it is inherently inferior because I don’t walk in with a sandwich board proclaiming “trans women are women!” but I digress) while you continue to bang out your trans rights screeds on an anonymous forum. I guess it makes you feel like you are doing something meaningful in the lives of trans people.

You’re a bigot. You want to be congratulated for hiding it at work?

DP, when your arguments mostly consist of name calling like “bigot” then you’ve already lost the argument. At least explain your position in a respectful, coherent way otherwise it comes across as meaningless and intellectually lazy.

They can't. Their very platform of ideas is incoherent and anti-scientific.

The PP thinks transgenderism is mental illness and wants to exclude and discriminate against transgender people. No bathrooms, sports, etc.

Their choice of bathroom and sports are not basic human rights.

Using the bathroom is a human right. Sports is not.

So you’re trying to tell me that we are taking away their right to use the bathroom? Is that what you’re saying? Because that is 100% untrue.

That's kind of the point even if you won't admit it. You don't want trans women in the women's room. You don't ACTUALLY want trans women in the men's room with your husband and son either. You don't want a bearded trans man in the women's room. Many trans men look like cis men. Some trans women look like cis women. The whole point of saying that trans people should be banned from the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity is to prevent them from going out in public. I know you'll never admit it even on an anonomouys message board.

It's kind of irrelevant though because in DC trans people are legally allowed to use the bathroom that aligns to their gender identity. Same in Maryland. I'm sure you can live in a state that will force trans people to use the bathroom of their birth gender (even if their ID shows the one that they identify as).

I support having a third category of gender neutral bathrooms. Why are you trying to take away the rights of biological females to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people. Just admit that you ACTUALLY want to remove sex-based protections for women.

Sex based protections from transgender women?

Thanks for confirming that it is your objective to eradicate women’s ability to define ourselves as a class of people. Why can’t you admit to believing in male supremacy?

This is so unhinged. Are you in those FaceBook groups? You've lost touch with reality.

Nah friend, I just have a basic understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. As someone who believes in science, it’s a bit concerning when so many people deny the fundamentals of our species of humans.

You are confusing sex and gender.

Nope. My comment is about sex.

Sex = biological reality. Gender = feelings, beliefs, cultural attitudes, etc.

You are confusing them. No one is debating how human reproduction works.

No, I am not confusing anything. I am advocating for the rights of women (adult human females) to define ourselves as a sex-based class of people.

Most issues women face are created from society/culture (women), not biology (female).

Real issues like conservatives taking away bodily autonomy, pay inequality, etc. Not fake issues like does the person in the next bathroom stall have different genitalia.

DP. All of the societal issues females face are ultimately biological. They’re inextricable.

What are the “biological reasons” why women are paid less for the same work?

What are the “biological reasons” why men think they should control what happens to women’s bodies?

What are the “biological reasons” why women have less resources for athletics?

What are the “biological reasons” that we haven’t have a woman president in the US?

What were the “biological reasons” why women couldn’t own property or have their own credit card?

If females were, on average, physically stronger than men, and if females were not the only sex that could bear children, I believe things would look much different societally.