Honest q for conservatives: do you hold your kids to a higher standard than trump?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

All of it deserved. He is the most horrifically corrupt president we have ever had, and if he was a Democrat doing the same sh*t, your head would literally pop off your body in rage.

That's your view. Don't complain as it boomerangs.

It's not a "view." It is a fact. He breaks the law routinely in a way no other president ever has. And we honestly are doing a terrible job of responding to it with enough force. He should be in jail if not hanged as a traitor.

No, it's your view.

Meanwhile, in the Biden administration there was influence peddling: https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

No IT IS A FACT. There are laws and Trump broke them. The court system found him to have broken them. He was convicted of breaking them.

Lawfare would be unfounded prosecution and would not hold up in court. Kind of like what the Trump administration does all the time, and they lose because their accusations ARE UNFOUNDED.

If the convictions are overturned on appeal - will you stop bleating about convictions? Or are you going to say that he was convicted, it was overturned on a technicality, but he's still guilty?

Do you want your kids committing crimes because they might be able to get them overturned on appeal? This is your argument?

If the convictions are overturned on appeal, then he didn't commit a crime that is provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

My kids are none of your business, just like yours aren't any of mine (assuming you have any).

If would certainly be very proud if one of my kids was elected President of the United States - twice no less - winning both the Electoral College and the popular vote.

Ummm, so you are referring to Obama?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

All of it deserved. He is the most horrifically corrupt president we have ever had, and if he was a Democrat doing the same sh*t, your head would literally pop off your body in rage.

That's your view. Don't complain as it boomerangs.

It's not a "view." It is a fact. He breaks the law routinely in a way no other president ever has. And we honestly are doing a terrible job of responding to it with enough force. He should be in jail if not hanged as a traitor.

No, it's your view.

Meanwhile, in the Biden administration there was influence peddling: https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

No IT IS A FACT. There are laws and Trump broke them. The court system found him to have broken them. He was convicted of breaking them.

Lawfare would be unfounded prosecution and would not hold up in court. Kind of like what the Trump administration does all the time, and they lose because their accusations ARE UNFOUNDED.

If the convictions are overturned on appeal - will you stop bleating about convictions? Or are you going to say that he was convicted, it was overturned on a technicality, but he's still guilty?

Do you want your kids committing crimes because they might be able to get them overturned on appeal? This is your argument?

If the convictions are overturned on appeal, then he didn't commit a crime that is provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

My kids are none of your business, just like yours aren't any of mine (assuming you have any).

If would certainly be very proud if one of my kids was elected President of the United States - twice no less - winning both the Electoral College and the popular vote.

I’d like to remind you that he was convicted for hiding a hush money payment to a porn star as legal fees. He still hid those payments. The evidence was clear.

Also, did you read this thread title? This is the guy you want your kids emulating? Gross. Just gross.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

Do you have any cites about previous admins when "things [were] on fire"?

These reporters are not political operatives; they are women doing their job. What rationale can you provide that Trump is excused when he calls them "piggy" or "ugly"? Moreover, why should people with Down Syndrome have to hear or read about Trump using the "r" word when referring to a political opponent? I especially find that confounding as one of his cabinet members has a child with Down Syndrome. Do you think people with Down Syndrome and their families are simply to ignore this slur? Did the Democrats really make him use crude and cruel language?



Which Cabinet member?

Is it really too late to conduct one's self in a civil fashion when that person is the head of state?

[Anonymous]

I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Have you actually gathered that the prosecutor in the case, Jack Smith, was illegally appointed by Merrick Garland, an appointment which cannot be delegated from the president to another person? He also was not confirmed by the senate.

That makes the entire prosecution illegal as well as the funding Jack Smith used to attempt to prosecute Trump.

Everyone knows it was a political prosecution by the DNC. One that was illegal from the get go.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

Please.... Yes, I do know what kids are like, and if my kid called another person piggy in the same context that a-hole in chief called a reporter piggy, yeah, they'd be in super duper big trouble. Why is that hard for you to comprehend? Maybe don't let your kids talk that way to others. Start there instead of excusing it.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

Every president has enjoyed that privilege after office. Sorry you're too f'n dumb to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

If my child called someone piggy as an insult? Yes, we would be having conversation at a minimum. Yes, children will behave like children. The point is that I would not encourage the behavior and try to instill values like respect and kindness in my kids, and I expect adults, especially someone holding the office of the Presidency to have more self-control and more decorum than a child.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

Every president has enjoyed that privilege after office. Sorry you're too f'n dumb to understand.

Ok, for those others who are reading the thread, please explain exactly what privilege a former president has here and where it's cited in the law.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

Every president has enjoyed that privilege after office. Sorry you're too f'n dumb to understand.

Ok, for those others who are reading the thread, please explain exactly what privilege a former president has here and where it's cited in the law.

The stupidity is breathtaking. Simple google searches sends to you to official links that explain the process and that former presidents can't declassify documents. It's all pretty much right there.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

If my child called someone piggy as an insult? Yes, we would be having conversation at a minimum. Yes, children will behave like children. The point is that I would not encourage the behavior and try to instill values like respect and kindness in my kids, and I expect adults, especially someone holding the office of the Presidency to have more self-control and more decorum than a child.

Or the R word? Is that PP actually suggesting that "kids will be kids" and that there not be consequences to using that slur? We really suck as a country if that's the prevailing thought on the matter. But I don't think that's the case. Just one jerk who thinks it's A-OK. Well, one jerk and the president of the United States.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

The classification status doesn’t even matter. He was indicted under the Espionage Act. Classification is not part of that law. It describes the types of documents it applies to.