Honest q for conservatives: do you hold your kids to a higher standard than trump?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

If my child called someone piggy as an insult? Yes, we would be having conversation at a minimum. Yes, children will behave like children. The point is that I would not encourage the behavior and try to instill values like respect and kindness in my kids, and I expect adults, especially someone holding the office of the Presidency to have more self-control and more decorum than a child.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

Every president has enjoyed that privilege after office. Sorry you're too f'n dumb to understand.

Ok, for those others who are reading the thread, please explain exactly what privilege a former president has here and where it's cited in the law.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

Every president has enjoyed that privilege after office. Sorry you're too f'n dumb to understand.

Ok, for those others who are reading the thread, please explain exactly what privilege a former president has here and where it's cited in the law.

The stupidity is breathtaking. Simple google searches sends to you to official links that explain the process and that former presidents can't declassify documents. It's all pretty much right there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

If my child called someone piggy as an insult? Yes, we would be having conversation at a minimum. Yes, children will behave like children. The point is that I would not encourage the behavior and try to instill values like respect and kindness in my kids, and I expect adults, especially someone holding the office of the Presidency to have more self-control and more decorum than a child.

Or the R word? Is that PP actually suggesting that "kids will be kids" and that there not be consequences to using that slur? We really suck as a country if that's the prevailing thought on the matter. But I don't think that's the case. Just one jerk who thinks it's A-OK. Well, one jerk and the president of the United States.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

The classification status doesn’t even matter. He was indicted under the Espionage Act. Classification is not part of that law. It describes the types of documents it applies to.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

The classification status doesn’t even matter. He was indicted under the Espionage Act. Classification is not part of that law. It describes the types of documents it applies to.

It matters when someone is asserting that former presidents can declassify documents to suit their whim, when in fact, they cannot.

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If my adult child had multiple accusations of sexual assault, treated women poorly, rarely apologized after inappropriate or rude behavior, played the victim, cheated on their partner etc. I’d work hard to encourage them to intensive therapy so they had a chance at a healthy relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:If my adult child had multiple accusations of sexual assault, treated women poorly, rarely apologized after inappropriate or rude behavior, played the victim, cheated on their partner etc. I’d work hard to encourage them to intensive therapy so they had a chance at a healthy relationship.

agree, it's a shame that Joe Biden's family never encouraged him to get the needed therapy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

The bar is so low it's laughable. These are the parents who encourage their children to be bullies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

Have you ever been in a public high school? I can assure you that "piggy" would be viewed as a very mild word choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the people on this thread insinuating that their kids would be in super duper big trouble if they used the word “piggy” do not have kids, and have no idea what kids are like.

If my child called someone piggy as an insult? Yes, we would be having conversation at a minimum. Yes, children will behave like children. The point is that I would not encourage the behavior and try to instill values like respect and kindness in my kids, and I expect adults, especially someone holding the office of the Presidency to have more self-control and more decorum than a child.

Please don't pretend that the children of Democrat voters are not using such words and only display respectful behaviors towards their peers

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

Have you ever been in a public high school? I can assure you that "piggy" would be viewed as a very mild word choice.

My kid is in public high school. By the time they are seniors, most kids are not crass bullies. They have language that is crude but they don’t generally make fun of other kids they don’t know so much anymore. Calling someone “piggy” because you don’t like what they said will not garner you any points anymore. In middle school, the “cool kid” could have had the whole class cracking up but by senior year, most kids do not get involved and actually avoid the bully.

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump is so terrible, why did the swing states go 7-0 in his favor?

He cheated. He and Elon have admitted as much.

No they didn’t.

You’re a liar.

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I love how no one is reacting to his use of the R word because piggy seems defensible to some of you so you’ll defend that. Ok. Do the R word next.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids school called and said that your child called another child ‘piggy’, ‘ugly’ or a ‘r*****’, would they be in trouble with you or no?

I’m going to say zero back, this is just actually the thing that most baffles me about trump voters

I've been very disappointed by previous administrations which act statesmanlike while things are on fire.

I really don't GAS what the complaints are against Trump's attitudes anymore.

Democrats arrested him, raided his house with a swat team, tried to get him removed from the ballot in several states, and instituted all manner of lawfare against him and his family.

They went after his lawyers and everyone has a right to representation.

Bottom line: Democrats salted the ground with poison. It was so satisfying to you when they did that. So stop complaining. You deserve exactly what you are getting. It's too late to turn back now.

HE BROKE THE LAW. Holding him accountable is not lawfare.

Things were not great, but Trump is actively making them worse.

And there's no reason he can't enact policy while behaving with a modicum of respect for the office he holds.

You're a moron and a despicable human being.

A Senator by the name of Joe Biden took classified information home for decades, which he was not entitled to. Nevertheless, he had a very sympathetic DOJ.

Two standards... one for democrats, one for everyone else. Don't complain with retribution coming your way.

Yes, they both took home documents that they shouldn’t have, but here are key differences:

- Volume: Trump had ~300 documents; Biden had ~20.

- Cooperation: Biden's team self-reported, voluntarily returned them, consented to searches and interviews; Trump allegedly obstructed (e.g., hid documents, lied to investigators), requiring FBI raid.

- Intent/Knowledge: Biden claimed surprise, believed materials personal; Trump claimed declassification (unsubstantiated) and showed documents to others.

- Staff Involvement: Trump's personal aide, Walt Nauta, was indicted for purposefully moving and hiding boxes of classified documents at Trump's direction, both before and after a subpoena to return them.

I don't care about the volume. The president has a legal right to the documents since they are CICAF and a classification authority. The presidential records act also applies.

Senators are not classification authorities.

Have you actually read the Presidential Records Act? It says that those documents should have gone to the Archives as soon as Biden took office in January 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Yes, Trump was a classification authority. But that only mattered if he had declassified anything. His supporters insist he had declassified all the documents he had at Mar-a-lago. Except declassification doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's a process that has to be followed, including notifying intelligence agencies that the information is no longer classified. This would have generated a paper trail had it actually happened - to the point that somebody would have said something about it. Nobody has.

Declassification happens immediately under the vesting clause. The president IS the head of the Executive Branch. All departments and personnel reside below the president. Your process does NOT obviate the highest law in the land, the U.S. Constitition. No statute does. No rights the president enjoys as Commander-in-Chief are subservient to your so-called processes. The words Intelligence Community do not appear in the Constitution. The President does.

Don't like it? Too bad.

You're not even listening to me. A current president has the powers you mention. A former president does not. Trump was a former president at the time he was busted with documents in his shower. Sad!

The classification status doesn’t even matter. He was indicted under the Espionage Act. Classification is not part of that law. It describes the types of documents it applies to.

It matters when someone is asserting that former presidents can declassify documents to suit their whim, when in fact, they cannot.

It’s a bullshit argument used by Trumpers to sidetrack the conversation. He stole, retained and hid national defense documents. That’s what he was charged with. He had no right to do that, even if he believes he declassified them.