Rank the Big 10 academically

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Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

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Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

I'm a Michigan grad and seriously, rating Michigan's accounting program over the one at MSU, or marketing, is ridiculous. MSU also has a great industrial psychology program and Michigan does not.

But I wonder why UCLA is higher rated than Michigan? Seems like splitting hairs.

Perhaps because it’s been ranked by USNWR as the #1 public university in the country every year for almost a decade now?

Is UCLA better than Michigan academically for undergrad?

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Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

I'm a Michigan grad and seriously, rating Michigan's accounting program over the one at MSU, or marketing, is ridiculous. MSU also has a great industrial psychology program and Michigan does not.

But I wonder why UCLA is higher rated than Michigan? Seems like splitting hairs.

Perhaps because it’s been ranked by USNWR as the #1 public university in the country every year for almost a decade now?

Is UCLA better than Michigan academically for undergrad?

I think they’re overall comparable on the undergrad level, but Michigan’s grad programs are better.

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Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

I'm a Michigan grad and seriously, rating Michigan's accounting program over the one at MSU, or marketing, is ridiculous. MSU also has a great industrial psychology program and Michigan does not.

But I wonder why UCLA is higher rated than Michigan? Seems like splitting hairs.

Perhaps because it’s been ranked by USNWR as the #1 public university in the country every year for almost a decade now?

Is UCLA better than Michigan academically for undergrad?

That’s what USNWR ranks. UCLA is also higher on nearly all global rankings, which primarily consider grad programs. Finally, rankings are dumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

I'm a Michigan grad and seriously, rating Michigan's accounting program over the one at MSU, or marketing, is ridiculous. MSU also has a great industrial psychology program and Michigan does not.

But I wonder why UCLA is higher rated than Michigan? Seems like splitting hairs.

Perhaps because it’s been ranked by USNWR as the #1 public university in the country every year for almost a decade now?

Maybe it's not ridiculous because Michigan has the number 1 undergrad marketing program in the country. And accounting is ranked number 6.

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Michigan/Ucla/Usc

Illinois/Wisconsin/Washington

Maryland/Ohio St/Rutgers

Penn St/Michigan St/Purdue

Iowa/Minnesota/Indiana

Oregon/Nebraska

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"That’s what USNWR ranks. UCLA is also higher on nearly all global rankings, which primarily consider grad programs. Finally, rankings are dumb."

Ucla has been a fine school. But overrated now. Usnwr undergrad academic rankings has jumped the shark w/the emphasis on social-justice markers. Ucla & Cal test-blind? Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

I'm a Michigan grad and seriously, rating Michigan's accounting program over the one at MSU, or marketing, is ridiculous. MSU also has a great industrial psychology program and Michigan does not.

But I wonder why UCLA is higher rated than Michigan? Seems like splitting hairs.

Perhaps because it’s been ranked by USNWR as the #1 public university in the country every year for almost a decade now?

Is UCLA better than Michigan academically for undergrad?

That’s what USNWR ranks. UCLA is also higher on nearly all global rankings, which primarily consider grad programs. Finally, rankings are dumb.

UCLA is a great school but I wonder how much it is boosted in US News by its social mobility score. Michigan has more kids from high-income families so they probably don't do well on that part of the ranking.

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"That’s what USNWR ranks. UCLA is also higher on nearly all global rankings, which primarily consider grad programs. Finally, rankings are dumb."

Ucla has been a fine school. But overrated now. Usnwr undergrad academic rankings has jumped the shark w/the emphasis on social-justice markers. Ucla & Cal test-blind? Ridiculous.

I think UCLA and Cal might look at AP test scores if you list them.

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Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

I'm a Michigan grad and seriously, rating Michigan's accounting program over the one at MSU, or marketing, is ridiculous. MSU also has a great industrial psychology program and Michigan does not.

But I wonder why UCLA is higher rated than Michigan? Seems like splitting hairs.

Perhaps because it’s been ranked by USNWR as the #1 public university in the country every year for almost a decade now?

Is UCLA better than Michigan academically for undergrad?

That’s what USNWR ranks. UCLA is also higher on nearly all global rankings, which primarily consider grad programs. Finally, rankings are dumb.

UCLA is a great school but I wonder how much it is boosted in US News by its social mobility score. Michigan has more kids from high-income families so they probably don't do well on that part of the ranking.

USNWR has been putting a lot more emphasis on that lately, so yes — I think it hurts Michigan and helps UCLA and Berkeley.

Michigan has a TON of money. Their endowment is the same as the entire UC system.

The only public schools with bigger endowments is the Texas A&M system and the UT system.

Michigan has the biggest endowment of any single public university and the 7th highest overall (public and private).

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Anonymous wrote:if you go by lacrosse and other sports:

Johns Hopkins
NU
Michigan
Ucla
Usc
illinois
umd
the rest

You get points for using NU (people it is NU and has always been NU. It is in the sports chants from the beginning of their sports!) but are deducted points for Hopkins because they don't get BiG10 status.

NU
UCLA
UW (Washington)/Michigan
USC (deduct points for campus)
All the others
Oregon
Rutgers (negative points)

And massive win for their marketing with the most iconic ad ever. To GoT theme: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Urf7niNI2mQ

Michigan is WAY stronger than Washington.

For one, you’re talking about 46 vs 21 for undergrad.

What USNWR says isn't really a justification unless you agree with their methodology. Come on, they keep putting Princeton and Williams #1 when student and faculty quality would favor Harvard and Stanford or Amherst and Swarthmore.

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Michigan's in-state population hasn't been headed in the right direction for a long time. It isn't the same school it was in the 80s. The student quality won't be much different from Maryland soon (it isn't even all that different now). UCLA will be a clear #2 in the conference in the next 10-20 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan's in-state population hasn't been headed in the right direction for a long time. It isn't the same school it was in the 80s. The student quality won't be much different from Maryland soon (it isn't even all that different now). UCLA will be a clear #2 in the conference in the next 10-20 years.

How is California's in-state population trending?

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Michigan is overrated in the DMV. I recall threads where people argued it was clearly better than Berkeley.
Michigan and UChicago have a lot of private school proponents here (maybe bc their kids are getting in). I spent most of the last decade in California and those schools are not as well regarded there. UCLA would already be #2 in the Big Ten on the left coast.
On the plus side, Dave Portnoy and Barstool will help keep Big Blue relevant in football!

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan's in-state population hasn't been headed in the right direction for a long time. It isn't the same school it was in the 80s. The student quality won't be much different from Maryland soon (it isn't even all that different now). UCLA will be a clear #2 in the conference in the next 10-20 years.

How is California's in-state population trending?

CA is so much bigger that schools like UCLA and UC-Berkeley will be more than fine. The scale is so different with the states. A lot more $$ in CA too (now and in the future).

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Maryland and Rutgers are up and comers. Maryland in particular is the school I'd expect to go up reputation wise more than any other in the Big Ten. They were early investing in tech-related STEM and have a state with comparably high incomes and test scores.