When are Herndon Middle and Herndon High going to get a break?!??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just moved to the Langley pyramid. My kids are young and a long ways from high school and I would welcome some diversity.

However, there is a HUGE bottleneck to get to Langley. I live only 2 miles from Langley and it can easily take half an hour just to get past the 495 entrance on Georgetown Pike. When there is an accident or bad weather, forget about it. There is also no public transportation so I think these low income students could potentially get stranded at school.

I think it makes more sense for all tysons area apartments to go to Langley. Just my 2 cents.

I don’t think it makes sense to move great falls students from an under enrolled high school to an overcrowded school, especially if they are so dead against it.

How many white people need to leave to make Langley ideal?

More than a third of the students aren't white.

Are you referring to socioeconomi diversity? Clearly it is nonexistent for you as a priority. Certainly not important enough for you to buy in another pyramid.

You are correct. Socioeconomic diversity was not the priority. Proximity to work and good schools were most important. We were looking at houses in Arlington and McLean. We chose the house we liked best in McLean and it happened to be in Langley pyramid.

Same. Plus the gorgeous view at Sunset.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This comes up periodically but realistically there is a difference between busing kids whose families suppprt their attending an AAP center or TJ and busing Hispanic kids further away from schools closer to their residences because whites in Herndon think there are too many poor Hispanics in their pyramid.

And this is how you pressure people to keep the status quo. Racists whites want the Hispanics gone!
I just sat in a meeting in Great Falls the other night where Jane Strauss soothed the parents of Forestville who were extremely concerned about a rumor that they were going to be rezoned into Herndon. Person after person got up to talk about how they did not want to be zoned from a top performing school to a low performing one. The problem needs to be addressed as to why Herndon's performance is so low and what can be done about it. Concentrated poverty (regardless of race) is a big issue. When you have schools in close proximity (3-4 miles of one another) where one has < 20% poverty and the other has 83% or one has 10% and the other has 50%, there are huge disparities on what each of those schools can offer their students.

Fine. You're not racist.

But you do want those Hispanics gone.

[Anonymous]

And this is how you pressure people to keep the status quo. Racists whites want the Hispanics gone!
I just sat in a meeting in Great Falls the other night where Jane Strauss soothed the parents of Forestville who were extremely concerned about a rumor that they were going to be rezoned into Herndon. Person after person got up to talk about how they did not want to be zoned from a top performing school to a low performing one. The problem needs to be addressed as to why Herndon's performance is so low and what can be done about it. Concentrated poverty (regardless of race) is a big issue. When you have schools in close proximity (3-4 miles of one another) where one has < 20% poverty and the other has 83% or one has 10% and the other has 50%, there are huge disparities on what each of those schools can offer their students.

How about you ask Fairfax County to start enforcing code?
Vote for a congressman who supports borders.
Don't elect a delegate who wants to make Virginia more welcoming to undocumented immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I invite these GF families to go private. AS IF they will! I dare them! These people are way too cheap to leave. And if they do, it's better for the rest of the kids to be away from the racists.

Perhaps we will... by forming a proper City and seceding from Fairfax County, like Vienna and Falls Church have done. I for one am tired of having our (high-achieving) children used as pawns, and our (quite signifigant) tax dollars spent on pet projects elsewhere.

I don't know if population numbers/density supports that but there are smaller towns so I guess it could work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And this is how you pressure people to keep the status quo. Racists whites want the Hispanics gone!
I just sat in a meeting in Great Falls the other night where Jane Strauss soothed the parents of Forestville who were extremely concerned about a rumor that they were going to be rezoned into Herndon. Person after person got up to talk about how they did not want to be zoned from a top performing school to a low performing one. The problem needs to be addressed as to why Herndon's performance is so low and what can be done about it. Concentrated poverty (regardless of race) is a big issue. When you have schools in close proximity (3-4 miles of one another) where one has < 20% poverty and the other has 83% or one has 10% and the other has 50%, there are huge disparities on what each of those schools can offer their students.

How about you ask Fairfax County to start enforcing code?
Vote for a congressman who supports borders.
Don't elect a delegate who wants to make Virginia more welcoming to undocumented immigrants.

But if they did that, they would be racist! They just want those Hispanics gone from HHS, that's all. HHS was more than 70% white a few decades back. They just want some white Great Falls families to come and Make Herndon Proud Again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just moved to the Langley pyramid. My kids are young and a long ways from high school and I would welcome some diversity.

However, there is a HUGE bottleneck to get to Langley. I live only 2 miles from Langley and it can easily take half an hour just to get past the 495 entrance on Georgetown Pike. When there is an accident or bad weather, forget about it. There is also no public transportation so I think these low income students could potentially get stranded at school.

I think it makes more sense for all tysons area apartments to go to Langley. Just my 2 cents.

I don’t think it makes sense to move great falls students from an under enrolled high school to an overcrowded school, especially if they are so dead against it.

How many white people need to leave to make Langley ideal?

More than a third of the students aren't white.

Are you referring to socioeconomi diversity? Clearly it is nonexistent for you as a priority. Certainly not important enough for you to buy in another pyramid.

You are correct. Socioeconomic diversity was not the priority. Proximity to work and good schools were most important. We were looking at houses in Arlington and McLean. We chose the house we liked best in McLean and it happened to be in Langley pyramid.

Then your priorities do not align with One Fairfax

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just moved to the Langley pyramid. My kids are young and a long ways from high school and I would welcome some diversity.

However, there is a HUGE bottleneck to get to Langley. I live only 2 miles from Langley and it can easily take half an hour just to get past the 495 entrance on Georgetown Pike. When there is an accident or bad weather, forget about it. There is also no public transportation so I think these low income students could potentially get stranded at school.

I think it makes more sense for all tysons area apartments to go to Langley. Just my 2 cents.

I don’t think it makes sense to move great falls students from an under enrolled high school to an overcrowded school, especially if they are so dead against it.

How many white people need to leave to make Langley ideal?

More than a third of the students aren't white.

Are you referring to socioeconomi diversity? Clearly it is nonexistent for you as a priority. Certainly not important enough for you to buy in another pyramid.

You are correct. Socioeconomic diversity was not the priority. Proximity to work and good schools were most important. We were looking at houses in Arlington and McLean. We chose the house we liked best in McLean and it happened to be in Langley pyramid.

You wanted to live near work and a good school and it just so happened that the good school pyramid you chose was lacking in diversity.

Okay.

[Anonymous]

The elephant in the county is illegal immigration (whether the parents or children or both are here illegally).

The simple fact is that the schools that many people (particularly on this forum) do not want to send their kids to have a high population of immigrants, particularly low income Spanish speaking immigrants. These aren't bad or dumb people, but they come with different set of challenges, that when assembled in high enough numbers, do impact the education of other children at those schools. Many of the parents have little or no formal education and the children, when born in another country, also frequently have little education when they arrive. You can imagine how this alters a school's education programs and resources.

In 2002-2003 Herndon HS had a F/R lunch rate of around 14%. The rate is now around 40%. Langley's rate meantime has barely moved and is around 2%. So some schools have seen a much larger impact. You can understand why people who bought a home in Herndon might be upset. They have seen drastic changes just in the lifetime of a baby growing into high school.

Thirty years ago FCPS parents might not have been happy with boundary changes, but there was a pretty good guarantee that the schools they were being sent to had pretty equal educational opportunities and outcomes. You can't really say that now. And this rears its ugly head at just the mention of potential boundary policy changes as people are losing their minds. So no one wants to be moved from Langley to Herndon, West Springfield to Lee, West Potomac to Mt. Vernon, or Woodson to Annandale (and I'm sure there are others). The differences in the schools have just become too large. So FCPS ends up building capacity instead of making boundary changes and using available space - spending taxpayer dollars to do so.

I believe that FCPS has let this go too far and they really don't have a way out. FCPS is just destined to be segregated along socioeconomic lines.

There has been a surge at the border this year - some of those students will be showing up in Fairfax next month - and will be concentrated in the same schools. Unless we get a grip on the border this will continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The elephant in the county is illegal immigration (whether the parents or children or both are here illegally).

The simple fact is that the schools that many people (particularly on this forum) do not want to send their kids to have a high population of immigrants, particularly low income Spanish speaking immigrants. These aren't bad or dumb people, but they come with different set of challenges, that when assembled in high enough numbers, do impact the education of other children at those schools. Many of the parents have little or no formal education and the children, when born in another country, also frequently have little education when they arrive. You can imagine how this alters a school's education programs and resources.

In 2002-2003 Herndon HS had a F/R lunch rate of around 14%. The rate is now around 40%. Langley's rate meantime has barely moved and is around 2%. So some schools have seen a much larger impact. You can understand why people who bought a home in Herndon might be upset. They have seen drastic changes just in the lifetime of a baby growing into high school.

Thirty years ago FCPS parents might not have been happy with boundary changes, but there was a pretty good guarantee that the schools they were being sent to had pretty equal educational opportunities and outcomes. You can't really say that now. And this rears its ugly head at just the mention of potential boundary policy changes as people are losing their minds. So no one wants to be moved from Langley to Herndon, West Springfield to Lee, West Potomac to Mt. Vernon, or Woodson to Annandale (and I'm sure there are others). The differences in the schools have just become too large. So FCPS ends up building capacity instead of making boundary changes and using available space - spending taxpayer dollars to do so.

I believe that FCPS has let this go too far and they really don't have a way out. FCPS is just destined to be segregated along socioeconomic lines.

There has been a surge at the border this year - some of those students will be showing up in Fairfax next month - and will be concentrated in the same schools. Unless we get a grip on the border this will continue.

I think the changes to the boundary policy under consideration are intended to prevent future situations where, for example, some higher-income families get moved from Annandale to Woodson without anyone really taking a hard look at the longer-term implications. And, if Woodson then gets too crowded, we don’t build them an addition; we send kids back to Annandale if there is space.

If that’s unacceptable to whites or Asians, they can leave. But it stops the trend where FCPS itself has begun to treat certain schools as radioactive.

[Anonymous]

In many ways it is all of our faults. We keep electing incompetent people who think it is fine to let new school requirements go unaddressed.

Today I was watching the June 22nd school board meeting which can be found on YouTube along with other similar meetings and the school roundly laughed that the population in Tyson's rose without them building new schools in that area. They mused that "As soon as Bloomingdale's closes they will take over that space" or "Do we really need two Macy's" laughter all around while we are at daggers drawn.

Let's all do ourselves a favor and vote those that are not retiring (six of the twelve) out of office. That goes for both state and local officials.

They might think it is funny to have a 10 year-old illegal alien in kindergarten with our kids, holding the entire class back as the teachers tries to meet SOL standards but we clearly don't. Enough is enough. We have an immigrant problem and their should be centers to provide for these kids without holding back other children. It is not teaching, it is warehousing and tax payers should not have to suffer for social engineering.

[Anonymous]

I think the changes to the boundary policy under consideration are intended to prevent future situations where, for example, some higher-income families get moved from Annandale to Woodson without anyone really taking a hard look at the longer-term implications. And, if Woodson then gets too crowded, we don’t build them an addition; we send kids back to Annandale if there is space.

If that’s unacceptable to whites or Asians, they can leave. But it stops the trend where FCPS itself has begun to treat certain schools as radioactive.

I have no problems with changes that make sense if there is a need because of numbers. But, to move kids just to equalize SES is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The elephant in the county is illegal immigration (whether the parents or children or both are here illegally).

The simple fact is that the schools that many people (particularly on this forum) do not want to send their kids to have a high population of immigrants, particularly low income Spanish speaking immigrants. These aren't bad or dumb people, but they come with different set of challenges, that when assembled in high enough numbers, do impact the education of other children at those schools. Many of the parents have little or no formal education and the children, when born in another country, also frequently have little education when they arrive. You can imagine how this alters a school's education programs and resources.

In 2002-2003 Herndon HS had a F/R lunch rate of around 14%. The rate is now around 40%. Langley's rate meantime has barely moved and is around 2%. So some schools have seen a much larger impact. You can understand why people who bought a home in Herndon might be upset. They have seen drastic changes just in the lifetime of a baby growing into high school.

Thirty years ago FCPS parents might not have been happy with boundary changes, but there was a pretty good guarantee that the schools they were being sent to had pretty equal educational opportunities and outcomes. You can't really say that now. And this rears its ugly head at just the mention of potential boundary policy changes as people are losing their minds. So no one wants to be moved from Langley to Herndon, West Springfield to Lee, West Potomac to Mt. Vernon, or Woodson to Annandale (and I'm sure there are others). The differences in the schools have just become too large. So FCPS ends up building capacity instead of making boundary changes and using available space - spending taxpayer dollars to do so.

I believe that FCPS has let this go too far and they really don't have a way out. FCPS is just destined to be segregated along socioeconomic lines.

There has been a surge at the border this year - some of those students will be showing up in Fairfax next month - and will be concentrated in the same schools. Unless we get a grip on the border this will continue.

I think the changes to the boundary policy under consideration are intended to prevent future situations where, for example, some higher-income families get moved from Annandale to Woodson without anyone really taking a hard look at the longer-term implications. And, if Woodson then gets too crowded, we don’t build them an addition; we send kids back to Annandale if there is space.

If that’s unacceptable to whites or Asians, they can leave. But it stops the trend where FCPS itself has begun to treat certain schools as radioactive.

Herndon is your example of what will happen.

Thanks for remembering the existence of Asians, by the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just moved to the Langley pyramid. My kids are young and a long ways from high school and I would welcome some diversity.

However, there is a HUGE bottleneck to get to Langley. I live only 2 miles from Langley and it can easily take half an hour just to get past the 495 entrance on Georgetown Pike. When there is an accident or bad weather, forget about it. There is also no public transportation so I think these low income students could potentially get stranded at school.

I think it makes more sense for all tysons area apartments to go to Langley. Just my 2 cents.

I don’t think it makes sense to move great falls students from an under enrolled high school to an overcrowded school, especially if they are so dead against it.

How many white people need to leave to make Langley ideal?

More than a third of the students aren't white.

Are you referring to socioeconomi diversity? Clearly it is nonexistent for you as a priority. Certainly not important enough for you to buy in another pyramid.

You are correct. Socioeconomic diversity was not the priority. Proximity to work and good schools were most important. We were looking at houses in Arlington and McLean. We chose the house we liked best in McLean and it happened to be in Langley pyramid.

You wanted to live near work and a good school and it just so happened that the good school pyramid you chose was lacking in diversity.

Okay.

We are actually Asian American. Langley is 25% Asian. I would not have cared if Langley was 5% or 25% Asian but this school district has far more Asians than our old school. I was actually really surprised how many Asian kids there are. My child’s AAP class is actually over 50% Asian.

There are less Hispanics and African Americans. However, my kids have made friends with more Persians and international students. These are not immigrants but children of diplomats that return to their home countries. Our international night was quite impressive and my kids are meeting people from various backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In many ways it is all of our faults. We keep electing incompetent people who think it is fine to let new school requirements go unaddressed.

Today I was watching the June 22nd school board meeting which can be found on YouTube along with other similar meetings and the school roundly laughed that the population in Tyson's rose without them building new schools in that area. They mused that "As soon as Bloomingdale's closes they will take over that space" or "Do we really need two Macy's" laughter all around while we are at daggers drawn.

Let's all do ourselves a favor and vote those that are not retiring (six of the twelve) out of office. That goes for both state and local officials.

They might think it is funny to have a 10 year-old illegal alien in kindergarten with our kids, holding the entire class back as the teachers tries to meet SOL standards but we clearly don't. Enough is enough. We have an immigrant problem and their should be centers to provide for these kids without holding back other children. It is not teaching, it is warehousing and tax payers should not have to suffer for social engineering.

100% correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I invite these GF families to go private. AS IF they will! I dare them! These people are way too cheap to leave. And if they do, it's better for the rest of the kids to be away from the racists.

Perhaps we will... by forming a proper City and seceding from Fairfax County, like Vienna and Falls Church have done. I for one am tired of having our (high-achieving) children used as pawns, and our (quite signifigant) tax dollars spent on pet projects elsewhere.

I don't know if population numbers/density supports that but there are smaller towns so I guess it could work.

This is what I find so laughable. Communities like yours eat up the lion's share of resources when you compare what you put in to versus what you actually take out. High density neighborhoods generate a far larger share of the tax revenue on all fronts. It's like comparing Northern VA to S. Va. Think abot how many tax dollars sit on 3 acres in high density areas vs on 3 acres in less dense areas. You are over inflating your importance to generation of tax revenue in the local economy.