US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Asian-American students in our community have gained admission to elite schools over the years by presenting extracurriculars tied to their Saturday Schools as markers of "cultural authenticity" or ethnic "color." Being bilingual and functioning as leaders in their Chinese-American neighborhood = URM hook status. I kind of wonder if that will be a good strategy now. Maybe the implications of these lawsuits were not fully considered. Possibly this has all backfired.

This is one of the most thoughtful responses I've seen regarding this topic. Indeed, there will be consequences . And as you said, it is undoubtedly clear that , the consequences were not fully considered. This isn't the win that proponents think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

+1 this

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

In the end, the bigger picture, you will thrive wherever you go. I just don’t understand the obsession with labels. If you are brilliant you are brilliant even at a county college, gasp, or a state school. Just go with the flow.

+1..The focus on Ivies is from a forgone era.

It’s a label, like an old Coach bag, so 2 decades ago.

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Any second-year data scientist can construct matrices and templates for admissions officers that comport with Roberts' guidelines below and not violate the principles of the opinion. You can drive a tractor (or hoards of admittees) through that matrix.

"A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual — not on the basis of race."

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Anonymous wrote:Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

+1 this

A lot of them. Besides, there is no clear definition of “Hispanic.” Does one have to have at least some blood from Spain? Or does it just indicate the national origin of parents/grandparents/great… from Latin American countries? If the latter is the case, then descendants of Nazi war criminals from Argentina would be preferred over Asian-Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians shouldn’t get too excited. The good private schools will still do what they want to do. They don’t want to be overrun with too many Asian students. They’ll find a way to get around that hassle.

It's false. This idea that there's a cabal against Asian students is laughable and it shows that folks like you aren't as smart as you've convinced yourself.

The lawsuit already works. Asian presence at Harvard has been increasing for the past 2;years, since the lawsuit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna77923

There are Asians (plenty) who still won't get in. Admissions ebb and flow, there's no telling that there's going to be a remarkable increase. These schools owe you nothing.

Why are Asians so obsessed with being discriminated against? Do they seem to have knowledge of all other applicants’ stats? What is all this uproar about? There are PLENTY of schools out there. Who cares about Harvard?

Yes, there are PLENTY of good schools out there that URMs can go to.

You actually believe there are tons of rural poor whites at Harvard? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Bad news : The number of Asian students admitted into these schools won't see an exponential increase.

Good news : They will have to find some other boogeyman to blame .

+1

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Anonymous wrote:“Poor kids are just as smart as white kids” - Joe Biden, 2019

Was this pre-dementia?

Again proves that it is the Party of Jefferson Davis and KKK.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

In the end, the bigger picture, you will thrive wherever you go. I just don’t understand the obsession with labels. If you are brilliant you are brilliant even at a county college, gasp, or a state school. Just go with the flow.

Yes a brilliant person will be brilliant no matter where they go. Will they have the same opportunities though? How many cc grads are in the Supreme Court?

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Private schools can form their membership anyway they want unless their process breaks a law. If a school has athletic teams and they need players, there is nothing illegal about recruiting players. Same with legacy. If a school wants to reward loyalty and patronage, they can. Of course, it’s a different question about whether they should do these things.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

It should rule out the 1/3 that lie about being Native American

I love that.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians shouldn’t get too excited. The good private schools will still do what they want to do. They don’t want to be overrun with too many Asian students. They’ll find a way to get around that hassle.

It's false. This idea that there's a cabal against Asian students is laughable and it shows that folks like you aren't as smart as you've convinced yourself.

The lawsuit already works. Asian presence at Harvard has been increasing for the past 2;years, since the lawsuit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna77923

There are Asians (plenty) who still won't get in. Admissions ebb and flow, there's no telling that there's going to be a remarkable increase. These schools owe you nothing.

Why are Asians so obsessed with being discriminated against? Do they seem to have knowledge of all other applicants’ stats? What is all this uproar about? There are PLENTY of schools out there. Who cares about Harvard?

Yes, there are PLENTY of good schools out there that URMs can go to.

You actually believe there are tons of rural poor whites at Harvard? Really?

Yes, there are PLENTY of good schools out there that DCs of UrbanMomsAndDads can attend an still hold their wine glasses while they moan and groan about URMs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get how this is going to work.

SO the universities are going to be trusted to remove the race data point---i.e. the "button" from the applications prior to review by the reader(s).

But then once the class is assembled they will have to re-connect race with pool of selected students so they can determine the demographics of their new student body?

I think this is going to get very interesting within one year.

IF they remove the "race" data point box prior to review
but then "guesstimate" race based on essays then they could be
estimating a class of say, 50% white, 25% black, 25% Asian

ONLY to end up with a class of
60% white, 35% Asian, 5% black based on people fudging their "racial hardship" essays, etc.

They don’t need to guesstimate based on essays, they have already figured out low income, rural and first Gen preferences will increase diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools can form their membership anyway they want unless their process breaks a law. If a school has athletic teams and they need players, there is nothing illegal about recruiting players. Same with legacy. If a school wants to reward loyalty and patronage, they can. Of course, it’s a different question about whether they should do these things.

Private colleges have to follow federal laws concerning discrimination because of the a int of federal funding they receive. This decision 100 percent applies to them.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

In the end, the bigger picture, you will thrive wherever you go. I just don’t understand the obsession with labels. If you are brilliant you are brilliant even at a county college, gasp, or a state school. Just go with the flow.

Yes a brilliant person will be brilliant no matter where they go. Will they have the same opportunities though? How many cc grads are in the Supreme Court?

It depends on your field obviously. Most people don’t aspire to become SC justices. The average person can go anywhere and the end result will be the same.