FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The easiest thing politically for the SB to do is dump even more poor kids at Westfield, shrug, and walk away. Those poor families weren't donating to their campaigns anyway and the Chantilly and Oakton people are up in their face.

They are taking lots of "poor" kids out of Westfield. Should not be a problem.

They are also taking lots of "not poor" kids out of Westfield. If one of the scenarios has them adding back in all poor kids, that's a problem.

None of the scenarios have them adding back “all poor kids.” Your rhetoric is seriously overblown, especially since you are likely one of the “not poor” families at a school now likely to move to Westfield.

NP. You sound unfamiliar with the area so I'll explain it to you. Bull Run is 43% FARMs. They put the AAP center there to try to help their test scores, so the actual FARMs rate of the zoned neighborhoods is even higher . If you know the area, the few Bull Run areas already zoned to Westfield are SFH homes (small neighborhood off Lee Highway and the few houses down by SYA Sports Park). The rest of the school is lower income housing (old townhomes, high and low rise apartments etc), except for one smallish SFH neighborhood over by Centre Ridge and a handful of homes in Bull Run park. Most of Bull Run population goes on to Centreville HS. The areas zoned to Westfield now don't have a lot of students.

Has FCPS put out an analysis on how the changes would alter the FARMs rates at the schools? You know they have run the numbers internally.

Thanks for providing further evidence that not all the kids at Bull Run now at Centreville are poor.

Moving the rest of Bull Run to Westfield eliminates a split feeder (a goal in Policy 8130) and means we could cut back on spending almost $300 million on a massive expansion of Centreville.

It’s obviously the sensible thing to do, and Westfield’s boundaries after that move would be far more sensible and compact than they are today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Someone just posted a petition on Next Door. Looks like the Cabell's Mill area is not excited about scenario 2. Shocking that people would mind being switch from Rocky Run to Liberty.

Well, I guess you are getting a real-time lesson that families don’t want to move, even to a school that is perceived as better.

Liberty is not perceived as better than Rocky Run!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The easiest thing politically for the SB to do is dump even more poor kids at Westfield, shrug, and walk away. Those poor families weren't donating to their campaigns anyway and the Chantilly and Oakton people are up in their face.

They are taking lots of "poor" kids out of Westfield. Should not be a problem.

They are also taking lots of "not poor" kids out of Westfield. If one of the scenarios has them adding back in all poor kids, that's a problem.

None of the scenarios have them adding back “all poor kids.” Your rhetoric is seriously overblown, especially since you are likely one of the “not poor” families at a school now likely to move to Westfield.

NP. You sound unfamiliar with the area so I'll explain it to you. Bull Run is 43% FARMs. They put the AAP center there to try to help their test scores, so the actual FARMs rate of the zoned neighborhoods is even higher . If you know the area, the few Bull Run areas already zoned to Westfield are SFH homes (small neighborhood off Lee Highway and the few houses down by SYA Sports Park). The rest of the school is lower income housing (old townhomes, high and low rise apartments etc), except for one smallish SFH neighborhood over by Centre Ridge and a handful of homes in Bull Run park. Most of Bull Run population goes on to Centreville HS. The areas zoned to Westfield now don't have a lot of students.

Has FCPS put out an analysis on how the changes would alter the FARMs rates at the schools? You know they have run the numbers internally.

Thanks for providing further evidence that not all the kids at Bull Run now at Centreville are poor.

Moving the rest of Bull Run to Westfield eliminates a split feeder (a goal in Policy 8130) and means we could cut back on spending almost $300 million on a massive expansion of Centreville.

It’s obviously the sensible thing to do, and Westfield’s boundaries after that move would be far more sensible and compact than they are today.

Hmm, I disagree with you---and you clearly don't know the area at all if you think any of your points are accurate-- but I understand that the Chantilly people are really concerned that since they are SO close to Westfield, they are very likely to be moved.
May the odds be ever in your favor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Someone just posted a petition on Next Door. Looks like the Cabell's Mill area is not excited about scenario 2. Shocking that people would mind being switch from Rocky Run to Liberty.

This is why the SB members shouldn't have rashly told Lees Corner they were exempt from being moved, because now every single other neighborhood knows this happened and is demanding the same special treatment.

Yes. Further proof that Dixit and McDaniel are morons. Even if you SECRETLY agreed with the rabid Lees Corner contingent, you make soothing noises but no promises until you see the next maps. Anyone with a 100 IQ knows that. Once you start making public promises to one area, you have no leg to stand on with all the other areas who don't want to be moved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The easiest thing politically for the SB to do is dump even more poor kids at Westfield, shrug, and walk away. Those poor families weren't donating to their campaigns anyway and the Chantilly and Oakton people are up in their face.

They are taking lots of "poor" kids out of Westfield. Should not be a problem.

They are also taking lots of "not poor" kids out of Westfield. If one of the scenarios has them adding back in all poor kids, that's a problem.

None of the scenarios have them adding back “all poor kids.” Your rhetoric is seriously overblown, especially since you are likely one of the “not poor” families at a school now likely to move to Westfield.

NP. You sound unfamiliar with the area so I'll explain it to you. Bull Run is 43% FARMs. They put the AAP center there to try to help their test scores, so the actual FARMs rate of the zoned neighborhoods is even higher . If you know the area, the few Bull Run areas already zoned to Westfield are SFH homes (small neighborhood off Lee Highway and the few houses down by SYA Sports Park). The rest of the school is lower income housing (old townhomes, high and low rise apartments etc), except for one smallish SFH neighborhood over by Centre Ridge and a handful of homes in Bull Run park. Most of Bull Run population goes on to Centreville HS. The areas zoned to Westfield now don't have a lot of students.

Has FCPS put out an analysis on how the changes would alter the FARMs rates at the schools? You know they have run the numbers internally.

Thanks for providing further evidence that not all the kids at Bull Run now at Centreville are poor.

Moving the rest of Bull Run to Westfield eliminates a split feeder (a goal in Policy 8130) and means we could cut back on spending almost $300 million on a massive expansion of Centreville.

It’s obviously the sensible thing to do, and Westfield’s boundaries after that move would be far more sensible and compact than they are today.

Hmm, I disagree with you---and you clearly don't know the area at all if you think any of your points are accurate-- but I understand that the Chantilly people are really concerned that since they are SO close to Westfield, they are very likely to be moved.
May the odds be ever in your favor.

Well, Centreville could still be expanded if they decide to eliminate the Fairfax attendance island (another goal of policy 8130), by moving Willow Springs and Eagle View into Liberty/Centreville and putting the rest of Greenbriar east back into Chantilly (Eliminating a split feeder) making everything more consistent.

[Anonymous]

The problem with "Policy 8130" is the lack of priorities. It lists a bunch of goals, but doesn't direct the SB which to prioritize, so its wishy washy and useless.

The actual policy:
Upon this review, in alignment with the Strategic Plan, the Superintendent shall prioritize the following criteria, in no particular order, when recommending individual school boundaries: • Access to Programming: Ensure equitable access to programs and facilities, and consider impact on school programs and populations. • Enrollment/Capacity: Using student enrollment projections, balance available capacity across the school division and maximize efficient and effective use of school facilities, as per best practices for capacity utilization and program needs while eliminating or preventing the establishment of split feeders, whenever possible. • Proximity: Promote contiguous attendance zones and maintain neighborhood groupings (to include condominium and apartment complexes) to eliminate and/or prevent establishment of attendance islands. • Transportation: Provide for walking and bussing safety and limit transportation times and ensure efficient transportation routes with attendance areas. As each school community and location is unique, the Superintendent may also consider the following criteria, in no particular order: • Maintain relationship with school pyramid groupings. • Minimize disruption of students' instructional programs. • Minimize future capital and operational budget costs. • Minimize use of temporary classrooms and modular units. • Promote stability by focusing on long-term attendance zone stability. • Reasonably allow for all students from the adjacent neighborhoods and communities to attend a school, taking into consideration natural and man-made barriers (e.g., major roads, geographic features). • Support optimal family/caregiver involvement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The easiest thing politically for the SB to do is dump even more poor kids at Westfield, shrug, and walk away. Those poor families weren't donating to their campaigns anyway and the Chantilly and Oakton people are up in their face.

They are taking lots of "poor" kids out of Westfield. Should not be a problem.

They are also taking lots of "not poor" kids out of Westfield. If one of the scenarios has them adding back in all poor kids, that's a problem.

None of the scenarios have them adding back “all poor kids.” Your rhetoric is seriously overblown, especially since you are likely one of the “not poor” families at a school now likely to move to Westfield.

NP. You sound unfamiliar with the area so I'll explain it to you. Bull Run is 43% FARMs. They put the AAP center there to try to help their test scores, so the actual FARMs rate of the zoned neighborhoods is even higher . If you know the area, the few Bull Run areas already zoned to Westfield are SFH homes (small neighborhood off Lee Highway and the few houses down by SYA Sports Park). The rest of the school is lower income housing (old townhomes, high and low rise apartments etc), except for one smallish SFH neighborhood over by Centre Ridge and a handful of homes in Bull Run park. Most of Bull Run population goes on to Centreville HS. The areas zoned to Westfield now don't have a lot of students.

Has FCPS put out an analysis on how the changes would alter the FARMs rates at the schools? You know they have run the numbers internally.

Thanks for providing further evidence that not all the kids at Bull Run now at Centreville are poor.

Moving the rest of Bull Run to Westfield eliminates a split feeder (a goal in Policy 8130) and means we could cut back on spending almost $300 million on a massive expansion of Centreville.

It’s obviously the sensible thing to do, and Westfield’s boundaries after that move would be far more sensible and compact than they are today.

Hmm, I disagree with you---and you clearly don't know the area at all if you think any of your points are accurate-- but I understand that the Chantilly people are really concerned that since they are SO close to Westfield, they are very likely to be moved.
May the odds be ever in your favor.

Well, Centreville could still be expanded if they decide to eliminate the Fairfax attendance island (another goal of policy 8130), by moving Willow Springs and Eagle View into Liberty/Centreville and putting the rest of Greenbriar east back into Chantilly (Eliminating a split feeder) making everything more consistent.

I think everyone agrees that the Centreville "expansion" should be turned into a modest "renovation/update". They don't need 1000 extra seats and have land use issues apparently. They will only be at aroun 1800 students in most of the scenarios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with "Policy 8130" is the lack of priorities. It lists a bunch of goals, but doesn't direct the SB which to prioritize, so its wishy washy and useless.

The actual policy:
Upon this review, in alignment with the Strategic Plan, the Superintendent shall prioritize the following criteria, in no particular order, when recommending individual school boundaries: • Access to Programming: Ensure equitable access to programs and facilities, and consider impact on school programs and populations. • Enrollment/Capacity: Using student enrollment projections, balance available capacity across the school division and maximize efficient and effective use of school facilities, as per best practices for capacity utilization and program needs while eliminating or preventing the establishment of split feeders, whenever possible. • Proximity: Promote contiguous attendance zones and maintain neighborhood groupings (to include condominium and apartment complexes) to eliminate and/or prevent establishment of attendance islands. • Transportation: Provide for walking and bussing safety and limit transportation times and ensure efficient transportation routes with attendance areas. As each school community and location is unique, the Superintendent may also consider the following criteria, in no particular order: • Maintain relationship with school pyramid groupings. • Minimize disruption of students' instructional programs. • Minimize future capital and operational budget costs. • Minimize use of temporary classrooms and modular units. • Promote stability by focusing on long-term attendance zone stability. • Reasonably allow for all students from the adjacent neighborhoods and communities to attend a school, taking into consideration natural and man-made barriers (e.g., major roads, geographic features). • Support optimal family/caregiver involvement.

The language here can be twisted to support any neighborhood's pro/con argument. Useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The easiest thing politically for the SB to do is dump even more poor kids at Westfield, shrug, and walk away. Those poor families weren't donating to their campaigns anyway and the Chantilly and Oakton people are up in their face.

They are taking lots of "poor" kids out of Westfield. Should not be a problem.

They are also taking lots of "not poor" kids out of Westfield. If one of the scenarios has them adding back in all poor kids, that's a problem.

None of the scenarios have them adding back “all poor kids.” Your rhetoric is seriously overblown, especially since you are likely one of the “not poor” families at a school now likely to move to Westfield.

NP. You sound unfamiliar with the area so I'll explain it to you. Bull Run is 43% FARMs. They put the AAP center there to try to help their test scores, so the actual FARMs rate of the zoned neighborhoods is even higher . If you know the area, the few Bull Run areas already zoned to Westfield are SFH homes (small neighborhood off Lee Highway and the few houses down by SYA Sports Park). The rest of the school is lower income housing (old townhomes, high and low rise apartments etc), except for one smallish SFH neighborhood over by Centre Ridge and a handful of homes in Bull Run park. Most of Bull Run population goes on to Centreville HS. The areas zoned to Westfield now don't have a lot of students.

Has FCPS put out an analysis on how the changes would alter the FARMs rates at the schools? You know they have run the numbers internally.

Thanks for providing further evidence that not all the kids at Bull Run now at Centreville are poor.

Moving the rest of Bull Run to Westfield eliminates a split feeder (a goal in Policy 8130) and means we could cut back on spending almost $300 million on a massive expansion of Centreville.

It’s obviously the sensible thing to do, and Westfield’s boundaries after that move would be far more sensible and compact than they are today.

Hmm, I disagree with you---and you clearly don't know the area at all if you think any of your points are accurate-- but I understand that the Chantilly people are really concerned that since they are SO close to Westfield, they are very likely to be moved.
May the odds be ever in your favor.

All my points are accurate. You just want to waste large sums of taxpayer money and maintain a split feeder that could now be eliminated in order to avoid getting redistricted to Westfield or seeing the “wrong kids” moved there.

[Anonymous]

useless like most of the drivel put out by this school board.

if you remember the emails from the early 00s rezoning fight and clifton es closing, you know the sausage is made behind the scenes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The easiest thing politically for the SB to do is dump even more poor kids at Westfield, shrug, and walk away. Those poor families weren't donating to their campaigns anyway and the Chantilly and Oakton people are up in their face.

They are taking lots of "poor" kids out of Westfield. Should not be a problem.

They are also taking lots of "not poor" kids out of Westfield. If one of the scenarios has them adding back in all poor kids, that's a problem.

None of the scenarios have them adding back “all poor kids.” Your rhetoric is seriously overblown, especially since you are likely one of the “not poor” families at a school now likely to move to Westfield.

NP. You sound unfamiliar with the area so I'll explain it to you. Bull Run is 43% FARMs. They put the AAP center there to try to help their test scores, so the actual FARMs rate of the zoned neighborhoods is even higher . If you know the area, the few Bull Run areas already zoned to Westfield are SFH homes (small neighborhood off Lee Highway and the few houses down by SYA Sports Park). The rest of the school is lower income housing (old townhomes, high and low rise apartments etc), except for one smallish SFH neighborhood over by Centre Ridge and a handful of homes in Bull Run park. Most of Bull Run population goes on to Centreville HS. The areas zoned to Westfield now don't have a lot of students.

Has FCPS put out an analysis on how the changes would alter the FARMs rates at the schools? You know they have run the numbers internally.

Thanks for providing further evidence that not all the kids at Bull Run now at Centreville are poor.

Moving the rest of Bull Run to Westfield eliminates a split feeder (a goal in Policy 8130) and means we could cut back on spending almost $300 million on a massive expansion of Centreville.

It’s obviously the sensible thing to do, and Westfield’s boundaries after that move would be far more sensible and compact than they are today.

Hmm, I disagree with you---and you clearly don't know the area at all if you think any of your points are accurate-- but I understand that the Chantilly people are really concerned that since they are SO close to Westfield, they are very likely to be moved.
May the odds be ever in your favor.

All my points are accurate. You just want to waste large sums of taxpayer money and maintain a split feeder that could now be eliminated in order to avoid getting redistricted to Westfield or seeing the “wrong kids” moved there.

Isn't it a waste of money to transport kids from much farther away when other neighborhoods are MUCH closer?

[Anonymous]

It doesn't seem like FCPS is prioritizing eliminating split feeders, based on the maps. So that's not a real compelling argument, Lees Corner Mama.

[Anonymous]

Really, it seems like split feeders are the least of anyone's concerns at this point.

Is this the mom who was posting about CONTIGOUS! neighborhoods and how her high schoolers need to be able to walk to every neighborhood of their assigned high school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Fox Mill was moved from Oakton in 2008. I can promise you that SLHS is no where near Oakton HS in any measurable manner. Not the class offerings, not the after school clubs, not the overall performance of the students. I get not wanting to move from Oakton to SLHS or WSHS to Lewis or Langley to Herndon. No offense, the one or two schools that they move will not bring the new school up to the level, or even close to the level, of the old school.

Skyview is going to be closer to Chantilly then it is Westfield or SLHS in performance. All you have to do is look at the performance of Floris and Oak Hill to see that there will be a significant number of higher achieving kids at the school. Toss in Crossfield or Fox Mill and you have a very strong school. There are good students at McNair and Coates as well. That is why Oak Hill is probably not too upset with moving, although they would prefer to stay at Chantilly. The Crossfield families that are unhappy with the idea of moving are mainly the Tiger parent families whose kids didn't get into TJ. If they can't go to TJ then they have to go to the next best thing that they can, which is Oakton.

I don't know enough to talk about Centreville or Westfield. The families I know at Westfield are very happy to be there and seem to enjoy the school. A good number are annoyed that there are kids leaving the school because they like the composition of the school.

Very few Crossfield kids end up at TJ. I think you are confusing Crossfield with Navy.

[Anonymous]

I didn't realize any of the scenarios moves kids from Cabells Mill are to Liberty and then what? back to Chantilly for HS? That is weird.