Alec Baldwin now charged with involuntary manslaughter by New Mexico authorities

[Anonymous]

If you substitute Alec Baldwin for someone like Julia Roberts or Andi McDowell or Kristen Chenowith, and they were on a movie set practicing pulling out a gun they believed to be a prop...and it went off and killed someone....

Does ANYONE think Julia, Andi or Kristen would be charged with a crime?

Seems that a lot of this is about sticking it to Alec B.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can an actor even inspect the bullets and tell if they are blanks?

They had dummy rounds not blanks. You can only tell from a dimple on end cap

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5lRFK3kTo&t=50

[Anonymous]

As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

This was a great explanation, thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

I am not a former prosecutor, but absolutely +1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

I am not a former prosecutor, but absolutely +1.

Yup, me too. Agree with every word of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

What politics? I hear this thrown around but no one will state plainly what they mean. Alec Baldwin isn't a political person, even if he played one on TV. I firmly believe he tries to link himself to politics in order to gain favor, but its not a logical or natural connection. I've asked people this and they and they say it's bc Baldwin played Trump on TV. Ok. Lots of people do. No one mistakes them for political figures.

Alec Baldwin shot someone. I have always thought it would be hard to prove to a legal standard that he did something criminal. But let's not pretend that shooting people is something wouldn't normally end in charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

What politics? I hear this thrown around but no one will state plainly what they mean. Alec Baldwin isn't a political person, even if he played one on TV. I firmly believe he tries to link himself to politics in order to gain favor, but its not a logical or natural connection. I've asked people this and they and they say it's bc Baldwin played Trump on TV. Ok. Lots of people do. No one mistakes them for political figures.

Alec Baldwin shot someone. I have always thought it would be hard to prove to a legal standard that he did something criminal. But let's not pretend that shooting people is something wouldn't normally end in charges.

You are disingenuous when you state that Alec Baldwin is not linked to politics. You do not have to actually be a politician to be political. Would you say the Koch’s are not political, because they hold no political office. I think not. Baldwin sits on the BOD for “People for the American Way”, a very liberal organization fighting for the liberty and freedom for all Americans. For decades Baldwin has donated and raised money for Democrat candidates. He has stratified Before Congress, served as a young congressional intern, flirted with the idea for a NYC mayoral run and dined with Democrat senators and presidents. So yeah, it’s political and I agree with the former prosecutor above. This was all theatre and political. And no, all shootings do not end in charges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

What politics? I hear this thrown around but no one will state plainly what they mean. Alec Baldwin isn't a political person, even if he played one on TV. I firmly believe he tries to link himself to politics in order to gain favor, but its not a logical or natural connection. I've asked people this and they and they say it's bc Baldwin played Trump on TV. Ok. Lots of people do. No one mistakes them for political figures.

Alec Baldwin shot someone. I have always thought it would be hard to prove to a legal standard that he did something criminal. But let's not pretend that shooting people is something wouldn't normally end in charges.

You are disingenuous when you state that Alec Baldwin is not linked to politics. You do not have to actually be a politician to be political. Would you say the Koch’s are not political, because they hold no political office. I think not. Baldwin sits on the BOD for “People for the American Way”, a very liberal organization fighting for the liberty and freedom for all Americans. For decades Baldwin has donated and raised money for Democrat candidates. He has stratified Before Congress, served as a young congressional intern, flirted with the idea for a NYC mayoral run and dined with Democrat senators and presidents. So yeah, it’s political and I agree with the former prosecutor above. This was all theatre and political. And no, all shootings do not end in charges.

By this standard of "political," virtually every celebrity is political. There is nothing to distinguish Baldwin's civic involvement from most other celebrities, who also sit on boards, donate to charity and political candidates, etc. To compare Baldwin to the Koch Brothers is so incomprehensible that I have to assume you just didn't think it through. Baldwin is, in no way, similar to.the Kochs, who are more comparable to George Soros.

Baldwin toying with the idea of running is similarly unremarkable. Many celebrities vainly talk about wanting to run for office and most don't.

While not all people who shoot and kill other people face charges, you act like this is not a normal and probable outcome. It's totally normal to face these sorts of charges, and most likely, Baldwin was charged bc they wanted to charge him for killing someone, not because he... sits on the board for United Way.... which is just an odd thing to jump to. I'm convinced Alec's PR tries to make him seem political. But if you lay out the facts, he is really just a Hollywood person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

What politics? I hear this thrown around but no one will state plainly what they mean. Alec Baldwin isn't a political person, even if he played one on TV. I firmly believe he tries to link himself to politics in order to gain favor, but its not a logical or natural connection. I've asked people this and they and they say it's bc Baldwin played Trump on TV. Ok. Lots of people do. No one mistakes them for political figures.

Alec Baldwin shot someone. I have always thought it would be hard to prove to a legal standard that he did something criminal. But let's not pretend that shooting people is something wouldn't normally end in charges.

You are disingenuous when you state that Alec Baldwin is not linked to politics. You do not have to actually be a politician to be political. Would you say the Koch’s are not political, because they hold no political office. I think not. Baldwin sits on the BOD for “People for the American Way”, a very liberal organization fighting for the liberty and freedom for all Americans. For decades Baldwin has donated and raised money for Democrat candidates. He has stratified Before Congress, served as a young congressional intern, flirted with the idea for a NYC mayoral run and dined with Democrat senators and presidents. So yeah, it’s political and I agree with the former prosecutor above. This was all theatre and political. And no, all shootings do not end in charges.

By this standard of "political," virtually every celebrity is political. There is nothing to distinguish Baldwin's civic involvement from most other celebrities, who also sit on boards, donate to charity and political candidates, etc. To compare Baldwin to the Koch Brothers is so incomprehensible that I have to assume you just didn't think it through. Baldwin is, in no way, similar to.the Kochs, who are more comparable to George Soros.

Baldwin toying with the idea of running is similarly unremarkable. Many celebrities vainly talk about wanting to run for office and most don't.

While not all people who shoot and kill other people face charges, you act like this is not a normal and probable outcome. It's totally normal to face these sorts of charges, and most likely, Baldwin was charged bc they wanted to charge him for killing someone, not because he... sits on the board for United Way.... which is just an odd thing to jump to. I'm convinced Alec's PR tries to make him seem political. But if you lay out the facts, he is really just a Hollywood person.

DP. No, not everyone who shoots someone is charged. Or should be charged.

This prosecution was political, not because Baldwin played Trump on TV but Because Baldwin is famous and the prosecutor wants to be. That's no basis for a murder charge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

What politics? I hear this thrown around but no one will state plainly what they mean. Alec Baldwin isn't a political person, even if he played one on TV. I firmly believe he tries to link himself to politics in order to gain favor, but its not a logical or natural connection. I've asked people this and they and they say it's bc Baldwin played Trump on TV. Ok. Lots of people do. No one mistakes them for political figures.

Alec Baldwin shot someone. I have always thought it would be hard to prove to a legal standard that he did something criminal. But let's not pretend that shooting people is something wouldn't normally end in charges.

You are disingenuous when you state that Alec Baldwin is not linked to politics. You do not have to actually be a politician to be political. Would you say the Koch’s are not political, because they hold no political office. I think not. Baldwin sits on the BOD for “People for the American Way”, a very liberal organization fighting for the liberty and freedom for all Americans. For decades Baldwin has donated and raised money for Democrat candidates. He has stratified Before Congress, served as a young congressional intern, flirted with the idea for a NYC mayoral run and dined with Democrat senators and presidents. So yeah, it’s political and I agree with the former prosecutor above. This was all theatre and political. And no, all shootings do not end in charges.

By this standard of "political," virtually every celebrity is political. There is nothing to distinguish Baldwin's civic involvement from most other celebrities, who also sit on boards, donate to charity and political candidates, etc. To compare Baldwin to the Koch Brothers is so incomprehensible that I have to assume you just didn't think it through. Baldwin is, in no way, similar to.the Kochs, who are more comparable to George Soros.

Baldwin toying with the idea of running is similarly unremarkable. Many celebrities vainly talk about wanting to run for office and most don't.

While not all people who shoot and kill other people face charges, you act like this is not a normal and probable outcome. It's totally normal to face these sorts of charges, and most likely, Baldwin was charged bc they wanted to charge him for killing someone, not because he... sits on the board for United Way.... which is just an odd thing to jump to. I'm convinced Alec's PR tries to make him seem political. But if you lay out the facts, he is really just a Hollywood person.

DP. No, not everyone who shoots someone is charged. Or should be charged.

This prosecution was political, not because Baldwin played Trump on TV but Because Baldwin is famous and the prosecutor wants to be. That's no basis for a murder charge.

I'll buy the charges may be sensationalist. I thought it was a long shot, for sure, and that the charges were filed knowing that being charged is its own kind of punishment. But I do think when people say "political" they think, like the pp, that Baldwin is some kind of Soros figure because that's his ridiculous PR spin.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

If Baldwin pulled the trigger and shot the person when someone else had loaded it with a real bullet, not a blank, then is he at fault or is the bullet-loader at fault?

[Anonymous]

Why was there a bullet in the gun? Can someone summarize for me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a former prosecutor I am angry watching this case unfold. It was clear to me from the start that the evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof to convict on the charges filed. The whole thing has been handled with politics in the calculus instead of the interests of justice. Now dropping the charges but stating that Baldwin is not cleared of criminal culpability so essentially feeding the public frenzy (have you seen how people are commenting online about him, that he has a target on his back and should end up like Halyna?) instead of making up their minds and being done with it. It’s prosecutorial abuse of power, in my experienced opinion.

I don’t like Baldwin. He’s a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his performances over the years, but since his verbal abuse of his daughter was made public years ago I have had zero respect for him as a human being. The wife with the fake accent and the brood of kids raised by nannies does nothing whatsoever to improve my opinion of him. I think he is probably someone I wouldn’t get through a meal with before reaching a level of intolerable disgust.

But as a former prosecutor, someone who studied prosecutorial powers extensively in law school courses with a heavy emphasis on the ethical demands of the role, someone who has completed the career prosecutor course given by the national district attorneys association, I’m deeply troubled by how the case has been handled.

I am not a former prosecutor and definitely not a Baldwin fan. He is rude and over the top political but this feels wrong.