Alec Baldwin now charged with involuntary manslaughter by New Mexico authorities

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Anonymous wrote:If Baldwin pulled the trigger and shot the person when someone else had loaded it with a real bullet, not a blank, then is he at fault or is the bullet-loader at fault?

It is 100% the responsibility of the person holding a gun to make sure it is not loaded, and if it is loaded, handled in a safe manor. That’s not debatable. Are others partly responsible? Sure. That does not change the responsibility of the person that pulled the trigger.

You are wrong both morally and legally.

If I hand you a gun and say it’s not loaded, would you put it to your head and pull the trigger without checking?

The director should have checked the gun first before instructing Baldwin to proceed with the scene.

Ok, The Director hands you a gun, tells you it’s not loaded, would you put it to your head and pull the trigger without checking?

There is also an armorist that has checked the gun and ensured there are no live bullets on set. Fun fact that blanks and real bullets look the exact same. How would an actor know the difference. Would the armorist know the difference?

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He pulled the trigger. There's no question he did it. George Clooney says he checks every time.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm shocked that there aren't layers of protection/caution...at least 3 people should check the gun. And why are real bullets even needed?

Well, the safety rules for guns on sets have worked really well. This is the first disaster since Brandon Lee was killed by a prop gun malfunction in 1993. Literally decades of safe use.

Then someone was caeeless and should be held accountable. The person who handed the gun to Alex?

Fwiw, while Brandon Lee's death was investigated, there were never charges filed. Should someone be held responsible? Maybe. But the person responsible is already known now. Her career will receive consequences of her actions.

I think it's disgusting that no one is held accountable for a death.

Sometimes there are these things in life called accidents.

PP here. Sure. But not this kind of situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Total BS. NM just wants to fry a big fish.

Nope. It is the correct decision.

He not only fired the weapon, he was also the producer. Protocols were not followed. People had left the set prior to the shooting because of working conditions.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This is the lowest felony he can be charged with when a death is involved. Question is.... will it go to trial or will he plea?

A producer
Not THE producer.
There is a huge difference

The person who puled the trigger

He’s an actor doing his job. He didn’t knowingly put a live bullet in the gun for the scene to kill her. I don’t think he should be charged. People get injured and sometimes die doing their jobs every day.

That's why it's INVOLUNTARY manslaughter no?

So if a bus driver gets on the bus to do his route and the brakes weren't fixed properly by the mechanic and he runs someone over as a consequence, is the bus driver guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

Actually yes. If something goes wrong with your vehicle and you kill someone, you are 100% guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Plenty of people have been charged in that exact scenario.

No. That is not how this works. That is not this works at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Total BS. NM just wants to fry a big fish.

Nope. It is the correct decision.

He not only fired the weapon, he was also the producer. Protocols were not followed. People had left the set prior to the shooting because of working conditions.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This is the lowest felony he can be charged with when a death is involved. Question is.... will it go to trial or will he plea?

A producer
Not THE producer.
There is a huge difference

The person who puled the trigger

He’s an actor doing his job. He didn’t knowingly put a live bullet in the gun for the scene to kill her. I don’t think he should be charged. People get injured and sometimes die doing their jobs every day.

That's why it's INVOLUNTARY manslaughter no?

So if a bus driver gets on the bus to do his route and the brakes weren't fixed properly by the mechanic and he runs someone over as a consequence, is the bus driver guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

Actually yes. If something goes wrong with your vehicle and you kill someone, you are 100% guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Plenty of people have been charged in that exact scenario.

No. That is not how that term is applied in law or the courts.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm shocked that there aren't layers of protection/caution...at least 3 people should check the gun. And why are real bullets even needed?

Well, the safety rules for guns on sets have worked really well. This is the first disaster since Brandon Lee was killed by a prop gun malfunction in 1993. Literally decades of safe use.

Then someone was caeeless and should be held accountable. The person who handed the gun to Alex?

Fwiw, while Brandon Lee's death was investigated, there were never charges filed. Should someone be held responsible? Maybe. But the person responsible is already known now. Her career will receive consequences of her actions.

I think it's disgusting that no one is held accountable for a death.

Sometimes there are these things in life called accidents.

PP here. Sure. But not this kind of situation.

Are you saying the director intended to have Baldwin shoot her by instructing him to aim at the camera? Are you saying the armorer intended to leave live ammo in the prop gun she handed to Baldwin?
Are you saying Baldwin intended to shoot the director with live ammo?

Sounds like a tragic accident to me. There's no way I would convict Baldwin of murder or involuntary manslaughter if I was on that jury.

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Anonymous wrote:He pulled the trigger. There's no question he did it. George Clooney says he checks every time.

George Clooney is over the hill.

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Can’t acting schools just have mandatory gun training ?

Assume they decide to go that way. Guess what the first rule you’re taught in any gun training?

The person holding the gun is responsible for it and always assume it’s loaded unless you have checked it yourself.

On a set, it's safer to have experts check the gun rather than the actor - mistakes happen often enough by experts, do you really think having nonexperts doing things with a gun is safer?

Actors are not at a shooting range or the field. They are on a set.

It’s basic gun safety. The person holding the gun is always responsible. Always assume the gun is loaded. Never point a gun at someone else.

Movies must be very mysterious to you. Or maybe you assume that everyone shot in a movie scene actually dies.

Terrifying.

If you chose to use a real gun while filming a movie, then you should follow real gun rules.
There’s no lessor standard of care here because it’s somehow all make believe.

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If Alec Baldwin hadn’t played Trump on SNL, he wouldn’t have been charged over this incident.

~ former prosecutor

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I don't understand why this is not entirely the armorer's fault. I would think whoever is in charge of a safety aspect is liable for a safety issue, not the actors' whose job it isn't. That goes for the choice of gun, loading of the gun, supervision of the gun and how the gun is discharged. With this not being the case, I don't get how any actor these days would want to ever hold a gun on set considering what is happening to Baldwin.

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Wasn't he goofing-around? He didn't shoot it because he needed to.
Not for the scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he goofing-around? He didn't shoot it because he needed to.
Not for the scene.

He wasn't goofing around. It was during the film shoot.

He has stated that he didn't pull the trigger and the gun went off on its own - some people have said that's impossible but the gun had already done it the day before and narrowly missed hitting someone then, so doesn't seem entirely impossible.

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Anonymous wrote:If Alec Baldwin hadn’t played Trump on SNL, he wouldn’t have been charged over this incident.

~ former prosecutor

This goes without saying (except by those who are strenuously denying it).

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he goofing-around? He didn't shoot it because he needed to.
Not for the scene.

He wasn't goofing around. It was during the film shoot.

He has stated that he didn't pull the trigger and the gun went off on its own - some people have said that's impossible but the gun had already done it the day before and narrowly missed hitting someone then, so doesn't seem entirely impossible.

How would a jury ever convict him? Even if he pulled the trigger I would not. Is the armorer also facing charges?!

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Nothing in the script said he was to point the gun at her. He was goofing around.