Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? qI can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

Yep. The people lining up to question why the roommate didn't call the police may be lucky ones who've never had the "pleasure" of being on the other end of how patronizing and unhelpful police can be. Possibly drunk young college woman in the night, even more so.

I am not saying she should have jumped to calling the police. But to say you were frozen in fear (your inner survival mode is kicking in here telling you something is wrong) and then just lock yourself in your bedroom without texting or calling your roommates to see whats going on? They were good friends by all accounts and you don't go check on at least the friend down the hall from you? She got up to open her door 3 times based on noises so she was not so drunk to not hear that she couldnt hear people talking down the hallway. No it's not her fault her roomates got murdered but as a parent of the murdered kids, I'd have a lot of questions on why she chose inaction.

NP. I agree with this. I'm trying not to cast judgment on this girl, but many people err on the side of being passive bystanders rather than investigating or caring enough to take action. I've seen it personally in my life and and am deeply bothered by people like in the Lululemon murders who heard screams and were so passive they did nothing. Of course they're not responsible for the deaths. But people who are like this bother me because of their apathy towards others. It's weakness and lack of caring. With that said, I'm trying hard not to judge this girl without knowing really what happened.

The circumstances here don’t sound nearly as extreme as the LuLu Lemon case. 4 people were murdered and it was close to silent. The dog barely even barked.

It’s been stated that it was not silent. It’s in the affidavit that the dog barked, victims cried, murderer was heard speaking, thumps were heard. The podcast 4 Killed For What University of Idaho Murders gives a great reading of each detail.

Adding Bad Humans released an update today as well. Listen to that breakdown as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? qI can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

Yep. The people lining up to question why the roommate didn't call the police may be lucky ones who've never had the "pleasure" of being on the other end of how patronizing and unhelpful police can be. Possibly drunk young college woman in the night, even more so.

I am not saying she should have jumped to calling the police. But to say you were frozen in fear (your inner survival mode is kicking in here telling you something is wrong) and then just lock yourself in your bedroom without texting or calling your roommates to see whats going on? They were good friends by all accounts and you don't go check on at least the friend down the hall from you? She got up to open her door 3 times based on noises so she was not so drunk to not hear that she couldnt hear people talking down the hallway. No it's not her fault her roomates got murdered but as a parent of the murdered kids, I'd have a lot of questions on why she chose inaction.

NP. I agree with this. I'm trying not to cast judgment on this girl, but many people err on the side of being passive bystanders rather than investigating or caring enough to take action. I've seen it personally in my life and and am deeply bothered by people like in the Lululemon murders who heard screams and were so passive they did nothing. Of course they're not responsible for the deaths. But people who are like this bother me because of their apathy towards others. It's weakness and lack of caring. With that said, I'm trying hard not to judge this girl without knowing really what happened.

The circumstances here don’t sound nearly as extreme as the LuLu Lemon case. 4 people were murdered and it was close to silent. The dog barely even barked.

It’s been stated that it was not silent. It’s in the affidavit that the dog barked, victims cried, murderer was heard speaking, thumps were heard. The podcast 4 Killed For What University of Idaho Murders gives a great reading of each detail.

Adding Bad Humans released an update today as well. Listen to that breakdown as well.

I read the affidavit, one victim cried, a thump was heard and he talked once. Nothing indicates people being murdered.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

Exactly. And the classmate said something to the effect of "he wanted to sound intelligent." Not that he actually was.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

If I teach a student for 12 weeks on Zoom and read their writings, I can judge if they are smart. Especially if I have done that job for decades. You have a basis for comparison.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

If I teach a student for 12 weeks on Zoom and read their writings, I can judge if they are smart. Especially if I have done that job for decades. You have a basis for comparison.

This line of debate is so pointless. Maybe he was book smart. Clearly he left behind a bunch of dumb evidence. Doesn't really matter now.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

If I teach a student for 12 weeks on Zoom and read their writings, I can judge if they are smart. Especially if I have done that job for decades. You have a basis for comparison.

This line of debate is so pointless. Maybe he was book smart. Clearly he left behind a bunch of dumb evidence. Doesn't really matter now.

There's nothing that pisses off DCUM more reliably than the implication that intelligence is not correlated with morality and general worthiness. It messes up their world views so much.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

If I teach a student for 12 weeks on Zoom and read their writings, I can judge if they are smart. Especially if I have done that job for decades. You have a basis for comparison.

This line of debate is so pointless. Maybe he was book smart. Clearly he left behind a bunch of dumb evidence. Doesn't really matter now.

There's nothing that pisses off DCUM more reliably than the implication that intelligence is not correlated with morality and general worthiness. It messes up their world views so much.

PP here. I don't actually think he was smart. I think he was manipulative which is different. But like I said, totally doesn't matter now.

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The roommate story makes total sense to me. If you’re sleeping in a college group house when your roommates are still going out and partying, it would be normal to hear things and see random people leaving. Even the crying, I feel like I might have sent a text but not rushed out of my room if I was asleep. There’s no way you would imagine something like this had happened. And then the delay I could see just being from them sleeping in and assuming others were sleeping or out.

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Anonymous wrote:The roommate story makes total sense to me. If you’re sleeping in a college group house when your roommates are still going out and partying, it would be normal to hear things and see random people leaving. Even the crying, I feel like I might have sent a text but not rushed out of my room if I was asleep. There’s no way you would imagine something like this had happened. And then the delay I could see just being from them sleeping in and assuming others were sleeping or out.

I agree with you. But it bothered her enough that she got out of bed, opened the door, and peered into the hallway THREE times.

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It's impossible to speculate exactly what happened with the roommate who observed him because the affidavit is not a through accounting of the events. It's simply listing sufficient information for probably cause to identify him.

More information will come out during the trial, so people can save their judgment and scorn for a while.

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Steve Goncalves, Kaylee's dad is not blaming the roommate in interviews since the affidavit came out. He says "You got to remember these two girls were so upset that when they went outside after seeing this...one passed out, and the other one was so hyperventilating that the message wasn't clear enough for the operator."

This father would not be saying this if he didn't believe it. He was blaming the police until the arrest and wants all answers. He likely knows more of the situation of the roommates. People should back off the roommate, at least for now.

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And if the roommate called 911, people would be complaining she didn't try to perform first aid. She can't win here.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

If I teach a student for 12 weeks on Zoom and read their writings, I can judge if they are smart. Especially if I have done that job for decades. You have a basis for comparison.

This line of debate is so pointless. Maybe he was book smart. Clearly he left behind a bunch of dumb evidence. Doesn't really matter now.

There's nothing that pisses off DCUM more reliably than the implication that intelligence is not correlated with morality and general worthiness. It messes up their world views so much.

Lol, so true.

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I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

His masters' thesis advisor said that "in my 10 years of teaching, I’ve only recommended two students to a Ph.D. program and he was one of them. He was one of my best students, ever. Everyone is in shock over this,” she told the outlet, adding that he was “always perfectly professional” with her. She described him as a "great writer" and "brilliant student."

Ok, you're right, she didn't administer an IQ test on him, but many people interpret her comments to suggest he has high intelligence. That said, one can be an intelligent sociopath.
And intelligence is not a measure of common sense (tracks he left to get caught).

She never met him. Just an online course.

If I teach a student for 12 weeks on Zoom and read their writings, I can judge if they are smart. Especially if I have done that job for decades. You have a basis for comparison.

This line of debate is so pointless. Maybe he was book smart. Clearly he left behind a bunch of dumb evidence. Doesn't really matter now.

There's nothing that pisses off DCUM more reliably than the implication that intelligence is not correlated with morality and general worthiness. It messes up their world views so much.

Lol, so true.

And the best, tippy top, most prestigious schools.

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“He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door’: Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is ‘Exceptionally Glad’ About Suspect’s Arrest”
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/idaho-four/he-lived-1200-feet-from-my-door-driver-who-brought-idaho-victims-home-the-night-they-were-killed-is-exceptionally-glad-about-suspects-arrest/