Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

And who is going to pay for that? Money doesn’t just grow on trees.

Is it surprising that people who struggle financially have no concept of budgets?

It's hard to master budgets when you don't have any resources to create one for.
Lucky for those people, they have folks like you to take care of everything for them. Oh, that's right, you're happy to leave them all on their own struggling together in their own neighborhood school.

APS has a budget. Funded by the tax payers in our county.

I paid my taxes. I’m doing my part to help their school. More than they are doing to help our school.

Don’t sh1t where you eat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, you all. Find the middle ground. I agree that we should have public schools people want to go to. I agree in theory that option schools could be a tool to help with that. But it's also 100% clear that option schools in Arlington now just serve to give people an out from an "undesirable" neighborhood school.

It was eye-opening last year to see Drew's FARM rate go up 20% (or whatever) when they showed actual attendance vs. boundaries.

Plus the busing costs a ton. Plus when you have schools with super high opt out rates its impossible to predict attendance with high confidence. These are real problems, and large ones.

I think if we dumped option schools we probably could get all schools to under 50% FARMs. And that would be a really good thing for everyone. You might have to draw some weird boundaries, but at least you could, because you could predict where the kids actually were.

More importantly, it would make everyone invested in solving this. Will some people go private? Yes. And that's fine. But it won't be everyone.

And before you complain about others being "entitled" to the school they "paid for" think about how you are coming across as being "entitled" to anything other than a neighborhood school. Guess what? You aren't entitled to your option school any more than anyone else is entitled to go to their closest school.

If it’s 100 percent clear that is the reason for options, how do you explain the hundreds, if not 1000 kids from NA attending option schools? Some people like the instructional model differences. But I guess you have to live in NA to say that and be credible. Another joy of living in SA, besides being served last, is having people better off impugn your motives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, you all. Find the middle ground. I agree that we should have public schools people want to go to. I agree in theory that option schools could be a tool to help with that. But it's also 100% clear that option schools in Arlington now just serve to give people an out from an "undesirable" neighborhood school.

It was eye-opening last year to see Drew's FARM rate go up 20% (or whatever) when they showed actual attendance vs. boundaries.

Plus the busing costs a ton. Plus when you have schools with super high opt out rates its impossible to predict attendance with high confidence. These are real problems, and large ones.

I think if we dumped option schools we probably could get all schools to under 50% FARMs. And that would be a really good thing for everyone. You might have to draw some weird boundaries, but at least you could, because you could predict where the kids actually were.

More importantly, it would make everyone invested in solving this. Will some people go private? Yes. And that's fine. But it won't be everyone.

And before you complain about others being "entitled" to the school they "paid for" think about how you are coming across as being "entitled" to anything other than a neighborhood school. Guess what? You aren't entitled to your option school any more than anyone else is entitled to go to their closest school.

If it’s 100 percent clear that is the reason for options, how do you explain the hundreds, if not 1000 kids from NA attending option schools? Some people like the instructional model differences. But I guess you have to live in NA to say that and be credible. Another joy of living in SA, besides being served last, is having people better off impugn your motives.

And you can’t do simple math. South Arlington is 50 percent frl overall. If you get rid of option schools and assume only a small portion move or go private, that rate climbs. With perfectly equitable boundaries you have crazy zones and EVERY SCHOOL would be 50 percent FRL. See how that flies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

Lol. The SB has said ad nauseam, even during option schools discussions, that neighborhood schools are and will continue to be the backbone of APS. You’re fighting a losing battle.

Yup. The SB knows who butters their bread. NA nimby liberals who love segregated schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Having a reasonable, rational desire for your family to be at schools close to your home and being called racist would hit a nerve. Not the PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

[Anonymous]

Arlington is not going away from the neighborhood school model. We are talking about moving one or two options schools around. But that they now have to do this is the result of their own piss poor planning. If they started off by acknowledging something even something way toned down from that, people may have more of an open mind.

[Anonymous]

Move immersion to ATS and send ATS to a leases office building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

I think I offended you when I pointed out your picturesque neighborhood has a racist past that is at the heart of current debates on school boundaries. People cried localism back in the early 1970s, too; that’s why the kids in green valley got busted out instead of the kids in your neighborhood being bused in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

I have no idea why your so angry--I've never once heard or even seen insinuated boundaries had anything to do with property values. I live in NA. We walk to school. Our school in less than 50% white. Our walkzone has $2.0M homes and affordable housing. It works well for our community.

SA doesn't get short changed. The last new ES was in SA. APS spends more per student in SA. The focus of the next CIP is elementary seats on West Columbia Pike.

If you don't like where you live move. If you can get that chip off your shoulder your welcome here. We have everything from CAFs to McMansions to choose from, and more are being built daily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

I have no idea why your so angry--I've never once heard or even seen insinuated boundaries had anything to do with property values. I live in NA. We walk to school. Our school in less than 50% white. Our walkzone has $2.0M homes and affordable housing. It works well for our community.

SA doesn't get short changed. The last new ES was in SA. APS spends more per student in SA. The focus of the next CIP is elementary seats on West Columbia Pike.

If you don't like where you live move. If you can get that chip off your shoulder your welcome here. We have everything from CAFs to McMansions to choose from, and more are being built daily.

How Asian is it? Asians are now considered white where public K-12 is being discussed.

If you have 20% or more Asian you are a segregated school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

I have no idea why your so angry--I've never once heard or even seen insinuated boundaries had anything to do with property values. I live in NA. We walk to school. Our school in less than 50% white. Our walkzone has $2.0M homes and affordable housing. It works well for our community.

SA doesn't get short changed. The last new ES was in SA. APS spends more per student in SA. The focus of the next CIP is elementary seats on West Columbia Pike.

If you don't like where you live move. If you can get that chip off your shoulder your welcome here. We have everything from CAFs to McMansions to choose from, and more are being built daily.

How Asian is it? Asians are now considered white where public K-12 is being discussed.

If you have 20% or more Asian you are a segregated school.

You are completely non-sensical, and trying to force the facts to fit your narrative.

Yes, our school has an Asian population. Of the Asian population, I'd estimate half are FARMs. I don't see how that equates to Asians being White?

Again, I don't buy your argument or understand your anger. APS has many flaws, but they are also better than 98% of other school districts.