Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

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Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

I have no idea why your so angry--I've never once heard or even seen insinuated boundaries had anything to do with property values. I live in NA. We walk to school. Our school in less than 50% white. Our walkzone has $2.0M homes and affordable housing. It works well for our community.

SA doesn't get short changed. The last new ES was in SA. APS spends more per student in SA. The focus of the next CIP is elementary seats on West Columbia Pike.

If you don't like where you live move. If you can get that chip off your shoulder your welcome here. We have everything from CAFs to McMansions to choose from, and more are being built daily.

How Asian is it? Asians are now considered white where public K-12 is being discussed.

If you have 20% or more Asian you are a segregated school.

You are completely non-sensical, and trying to force the facts to fit your narrative.

Yes, our school has an Asian population. Of the Asian population, I'd estimate half are FARMs. I don't see how that equates to Asians being White?

Again, I don't buy your argument or understand your anger. APS has many flaws, but they are also better than 98% of other school districts.

You’re taking to two different people. And you’re playing dumb about property values and perceived school quality. It’s why you’re sending your kids to science focus and not barcroft.

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Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

I think I offended you when I pointed out your picturesque neighborhood has a racist past that is at the heart of current debates on school boundaries. People cried localism back in the early 1970s, too; that’s why the kids in green valley got busted out instead of the kids in your neighborhood being bused in.

And you would be wrong about.

I’m offended at your attack on other people based on your own ignorance and biases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

I think I offended you when I pointed out your picturesque neighborhood has a racist past that is at the heart of current debates on school boundaries. People cried localism back in the early 1970s, too; that’s why the kids in green valley got busted out instead of the kids in your neighborhood being bused in.

And you would be wrong about.

I’m offended at your attack on other people based on your own ignorance and biases.

What does that even mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

I think I offended you when I pointed out your picturesque neighborhood has a racist past that is at the heart of current debates on school boundaries. People cried localism back in the early 1970s, too; that’s why the kids in green valley got busted out instead of the kids in your neighborhood being bused in.

And you would be wrong about.

I’m offended at your attack on other people based on your own ignorance and biases.

What does that even mean?

^^^^^^ Willful ignorance and unfounded accusations is what got us Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Move immersion to ATS and send ATS to a leases office building.

+1 - they need to work on VA laws on not allowing schools in leased buildings (or however that's worded). If APS could be allowed to lease office space and not have the long lead time and commitment, then they could be much more agile in adjusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

I have no idea why your so angry--I've never once heard or even seen insinuated boundaries had anything to do with property values. I live in NA. We walk to school. Our school in less than 50% white. Our walkzone has $2.0M homes and affordable housing. It works well for our community.

SA doesn't get short changed. The last new ES was in SA. APS spends more per student in SA. The focus of the next CIP is elementary seats on West Columbia Pike.

If you don't like where you live move. If you can get that chip off your shoulder your welcome here. We have everything from CAFs to McMansions to choose from, and more are being built daily.

How Asian is it? Asians are now considered white where public K-12 is being discussed.

If you have 20% or more Asian you are a segregated school.

You are completely non-sensical, and trying to force the facts to fit your narrative.

Yes, our school has an Asian population. Of the Asian population, I'd estimate half are FARMs. I don't see how that equates to Asians being White?

Again, I don't buy your argument or understand your anger. APS has many flaws, but they are also better than 98% of other school districts.

I'm actually not an APS parent so I have no stake in this discussion.

It has been my observation that schools are often considered segregated if the student population does not have a large enough percentage of black and Hispanic students.

Asians no longer count for "diversity"

So those who want to make the diversity argument lump asians in with white people when it's convenient.

Just telling you, many will find it convenient. Depends on how your FARMS and your test scores look.

Since I don't know the name of the school, and don't really care, I don't know.


Just making you aware of trends in educational theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

I have no idea why your so angry--I've never once heard or even seen insinuated boundaries had anything to do with property values. I live in NA. We walk to school. Our school in less than 50% white. Our walkzone has $2.0M homes and affordable housing. It works well for our community.

SA doesn't get short changed. The last new ES was in SA. APS spends more per student in SA. The focus of the next CIP is elementary seats on West Columbia Pike.

If you don't like where you live move. If you can get that chip off your shoulder your welcome here. We have everything from CAFs to McMansions to choose from, and more are being built daily.

How Asian is it? Asians are now considered white where public K-12 is being discussed.

If you have 20% or more Asian you are a segregated school.

You are completely non-sensical, and trying to force the facts to fit your narrative.

Yes, our school has an Asian population. Of the Asian population, I'd estimate half are FARMs. I don't see how that equates to Asians being White?

Again, I don't buy your argument or understand your anger. APS has many flaws, but they are also better than 98% of other school districts.

I'm actually not an APS parent so I have no stake in this discussion.

It has been my observation that schools are often considered segregated if the student population does not have a large enough percentage of black and Hispanic students.

Asians no longer count for "diversity"

So those who want to make the diversity argument lump asians in with white people when it's convenient.

Just telling you, many will find it convenient. Depends on how your FARMS and your test scores look.

Since I don't know the name of the school, and don't really care, I don't know.


Just making you aware of trends in educational theory.

Sounds like you’re talking about McLean Asians.

Arlington has diverse communities of Asians. Many receive EL and FARM support.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

I think I offended you when I pointed out your picturesque neighborhood has a racist past that is at the heart of current debates on school boundaries. People cried localism back in the early 1970s, too; that’s why the kids in green valley got busted out instead of the kids in your neighborhood being bused in.

And you would be wrong about.

I’m offended at your attack on other people based on your own ignorance and biases.

What does that even mean?

^^^^^^ Willful ignorance and unfounded accusations is what got us Trump

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Sounds like you’re talking about McLean Asians.

Arlington has diverse communities of Asians. Many receive EL and FARM support.

I'm printing up "McLean Asian" 100% cotton, made in America tees. Silkscreen and embroidered, get your PayPal fingers ready.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sounds like you’re talking about McLean Asians.

Arlington has diverse communities of Asians. Many receive EL and FARM support.

I'm printing up "McLean Asian" 100% cotton, made in America tees. Silkscreen and embroidered, get your PayPal fingers ready.

You can make it an issue, but the wealthy highly educated Asian Tiger immigrants come from a very different place than the refugee and Mongolian community in Arlington

[Anonymous]

Why is “not an APS parent” even chiming in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is “not an APS parent” even chiming in?

Because I find the discussion interesting.

I stated that I am not in APS because I think it's polite.

I won't be giving any opinions on what your boundaries should look like or what neighborhood needs to get screwed over to teach them a lesson, what schools are walkable or any of that. Not my business. Boundaries and new schools are a big topic across NOVA and common themes are popping up. The dynamics bear watching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sounds like you’re talking about McLean Asians.

Arlington has diverse communities of Asians. Many receive EL and FARM support.

I'm printing up "McLean Asian" 100% cotton, made in America tees. Silkscreen and embroidered, get your PayPal fingers ready.

You can make it an issue, but the wealthy highly educated Asian Tiger immigrants come from a very different place than the refugee and Mongolian community in Arlington

Surely you don't mean to suggest that government categories are insufficient to capture the true diversity of populations?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is “not an APS parent” even chiming in?

Because I find the discussion interesting.

I stated that I am not in APS because I think it's polite.

I won't be giving any opinions on what your boundaries should look like or what neighborhood needs to get screwed over to teach them a lesson, what schools are walkable or any of that. Not my business. Boundaries and new schools are a big topic across NOVA and common themes are popping up. The dynamics bear watching.

Your comments on racial and SES diversity in Arlington are ignorant and uniformed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we take option schools away, the UMC white families will not just automatically see the light, enroll in Barcroft and Randolph and magically balance the FARMS rates. They will move to private or move out of the neighborhood altogether to a zone with a "better" school.

People who think Arlington is the only place with this problem and that it's caused by option schools are terribly naive. This issue has existed for decades nationwide. No one has solved it. Busing was unfortunately a sad failure that led to white flight and arguably even weaker public schools due to the loss of those families from the system.

Yeah no one has solved this problem. You can't have diverse neighborhood schools without diverse neighborhoods.

Then let go of neighborhood schools and implement a select-choice districtwide system.

I’m totally for that but you’ll get people who I g about costs and not walking. Which is BS; really they just want a “high performing” (read: uniformly wealthy) schools to keep property values up. That’s essentially what all civic activity in Arlington ultimately is, property value maintenance. Just like racial covenants that most NA neighborhoods had were.

Bullsh1t. So you believe it when poor people want proximity but you don’t when rich people do?

Most parents just want a neighborhood school that is close to their home. Easy to get there and easy to make nearby friends.

Enough with your false cries of racism. You will lose your supporters.

Hit a nerve I see.

Yes. So tired of you crying wolf. Just stop. It’s ignorant and disrespectful. It’s a fast way for you to lose supporters.

I think I offended you when I pointed out your picturesque neighborhood has a racist past that is at the heart of current debates on school boundaries. People cried localism back in the early 1970s, too; that’s why the kids in green valley got busted out instead of the kids in your neighborhood being bused in.

And you would be wrong about.

I’m offended at your attack on other people based on your own ignorance and biases.

What does that even mean?

^^^^^^ Willful ignorance and unfounded accusations is what got us Trump

Using vague generalities and bringing Trump into this? I think you’re offended because I called into question your liberal bona fides and caused you to think for the first time probably, that the history of Arlington housing means that wanting a “walkable school” is not a politically neutral position. It’s the baggage of history and it’s not your “fault” but it’s there just the same.