Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

The VA Supreme Court didn't mind it when Republicans drew a map doing exactly the same for them. Let's see if they have the integrity to rule similarly now that Democrats are the ones benefitting. I won't hold my breath, though.

Please post that map. I don't recall anything that looked like the one Lucas, et.al created.

I thought the Supreme Court created the current map.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

The VA Supreme Court didn't mind it when Republicans drew a map doing exactly the same for them. Let's see if they have the integrity to rule similarly now that Democrats are the ones benefitting. I won't hold my breath, though.

Please post that map. I don't recall anything that looked like the one Lucas, et.al created.

I thought the Supreme Court created the current map.

I think PP is referring to the Republican gerrymandering in 2011, but the courts did, in fact, toss that out in 2018, so I'm a little confused as well

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

That all sounds GREAT.

F the Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

That all sounds GREAT.

F the Republicans.

Finally and honest comment, PP. We already knew where you and your party stand, but it's good to hear you actually say it and confirm the obvious - this is just a Dem power grab

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

NP. Whether it's on purpose or not, you're leaving out important context. Yes, when the commission cannot come up with an agreed-to map, it goes to the VA Supreme Court to do it and this did, in fact happen. But 1) Logistics around COVID likely played a big role in the commission failing to agree and 2) more importantly, the VA Supreme Court didn't just draw up the maps as you insinuate. They went out of their way to avoid looking partisan and allowed each party to nominate a "Special Master" to draw the maps. Those 2 were basically forced to work together until they came up with the current one. It was about as bi-partisan as you can get.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

That all sounds GREAT.

F the Republicans.

Finally and honest comment, PP. We already knew where you and your party stand, but it's good to hear you actually say it and confirm the obvious - this is just a Dem power grab

DP here-

Im totally and completely FINE with a power grab. It’s exactly what we SHOULD be doing. That’s how you fight these R’s. If I were in charge, I’d literally outlaw the republican party completely just like how Germany outlawed the nazi party.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

That all sounds GREAT.

F the Republicans.

Finally and honest comment, PP. We already knew where you and your party stand, but it's good to hear you actually say it and confirm the obvious - this is just a Dem power grab

I’ve said it multiple times.

I hope Rs lose all power.

They are depraved POSs.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

That all sounds GREAT.

F the Republicans.

Finally and honest comment, PP. We already knew where you and your party stand, but it's good to hear you actually say it and confirm the obvious - this is just a Dem power grab

DP here-

Im totally and completely FINE with a power grab. It’s exactly what we SHOULD be doing. That’s how you fight these R’s. If I were in charge, I’d literally outlaw the republican party completely just like how Germany outlawed the nazi party.

Holy smokes. I doubt you even see the irony in this.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

That all sounds GREAT.

F the Republicans.

Finally and honest comment, PP. We already knew where you and your party stand, but it's good to hear you actually say it and confirm the obvious - this is just a Dem power grab

DP here-

Im totally and completely FINE with a power grab. It’s exactly what we SHOULD be doing. That’s how you fight these R’s. If I were in charge, I’d literally outlaw the republican party completely just like how Germany outlawed the nazi party.

+1

They would not - and have not - thought twice about doing it to Ds.

Gloves are off.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an independent and non-partisan commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want to try to justify what the Dems are trying to so. It does not change the fact that they overwhelmingly supported the current commission in 2019. Then, once in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to push against the exact same amendment. One can draw their own conclusions as to why they did that, but it's pretty obvious. Luckily, that push failed and the referendum passed by a landslide, 2/3 vote.

It's fair to Virginians and it's been proven to work over 2 election cycles. Now Dems are back in power and they're looking to blow it up and gerrymander, using a ridiculous new congressional map, to pick up 4 more seats.

So I'll say it again, spare us the righteous indignation.

I hope Rs in VA lose ALL representation in Congress. They've demonstrated that their vote can't be trusted.

F MAGAs.

I fully expect that to happen if this passes. Richmond keeps talking about 10D and 1R, but it will be 11D 0R.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an independent and non-partisan commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want to try to justify what the Dems are trying to so. It does not change the fact that they overwhelmingly supported the current commission in 2019. Then, once in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to push against the exact same amendment. One can draw their own conclusions as to why they did that, but it's pretty obvious. Luckily, that push failed and the referendum passed by a landslide, 2/3 vote.

It's fair to Virginians and it's been proven to work over 2 election cycles. Now Dems are back in power and they're looking to blow it up and gerrymander, using a ridiculous new congressional map, to pick up 4 more seats.

So I'll say it again, spare us the righteous indignation.

I hope Rs in VA lose ALL representation in Congress. They've demonstrated that their vote can't be trusted.

F MAGAs.

I fully expect that to happen if this passes. Richmond keeps talking about 10D and 1R, but it will be 11D 0R.

Shhhh! Keep that under wraps! Loose ships sink ships, ya know!

The cat’s already out of the bag that this is just a power grab and the whole “restoring fairness” thing is a lie. Now they know the whole 10-1 thingy is too, and the goal is 11-0. Next thing you’re gonna do is admit to them that there’s no plan to actually make it temporary. So just keep it down and stop saying the quiet parts out loud!!!

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Anonymous wrote:President Obama told me to vote no, so that’s what I did. I take his word over anonymous posters here.

I feel Michelle Obama telling me to vote NO so that is what I’ll do. I believe she is secretly a Republican but like most women, is able to conceal her true nature.

Another reminder that Republicans are lying POSs.

It is my observation that Blacks who manage to crawl out of the rat pile and out of the ghetto do so by adopting Republican tenets: capitalism, merit, character, faith in God, and personal accountability, taking responsibility for one’s actions.

To avoid being branded a traitor, hated for abandoning the plantation mentality and refusing to be a Democrat ‘house negro’, they secretly vote republican but pretend to be a Democrat.

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To the “F MAGAs” and “F the Republicans” posters (if it is actually two of you and not the same person)….

You clearly feel passionate about silencing the voices of your political opposition. You are obviously not a compassionate, tolerant, welcoming liberal (they actually no longer exist).

You should make your little “sign off” your signature in all your email accounts …. Personal and professional. You wouldn’t want anyone to be confused about who you are and what you stand for.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an independent and non-partisan commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want to try to justify what the Dems are trying to so. It does not change the fact that they overwhelmingly supported the current commission in 2019. Then, once in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to push against the exact same amendment. One can draw their own conclusions as to why they did that, but it's pretty obvious. Luckily, that push failed and the referendum passed by a landslide, 2/3 vote.

It's fair to Virginians and it's been proven to work over 2 election cycles. Now Dems are back in power and they're looking to blow it up and gerrymander, using a ridiculous new congressional map, to pick up 4 more seats.

So I'll say it again, spare us the righteous indignation.

I hope Rs in VA lose ALL representation in Congress. They've demonstrated that their vote can't be trusted.

F MAGAs.

I fully expect that to happen if this passes. Richmond keeps talking about 10D and 1R, but it will be 11D 0R.

Shhhh! Keep that under wraps! Loose ships sink ships, ya know!

The cat’s already out of the bag that this is just a power grab and the whole “restoring fairness” thing is a lie. Now they know the whole 10-1 thingy is too, and the goal is 11-0. Next thing you’re gonna do is admit to them that there’s no plan to actually make it temporary. So just keep it down and stop saying the quiet parts out loud!!!

So disingenuous. Shocker.

It's a response to the MAGA's power grab nationally.

Didn't hear you complaining about the Rs gerrymandering in TX, MO, NC, or UT.

F Trump. F MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the “F MAGAs” and “F the Republicans” posters (if it is actually two of you and not the same person)….

You clearly feel passionate about silencing the voices of your political opposition. You are obviously not a compassionate, tolerant, welcoming liberal (they actually no longer exist).

You should make your little “sign off” your signature in all your email accounts …. Personal and professional. You wouldn’t want anyone to be confused about who you are and what you stand for.

I never bought into the "go high" philosophy. Republican trash never acts in good faith. They should never be given any allowances.

And I don't hesitate to share my feelings with any MAGAs I come across. I'm the person giving you the finger as you drive around with your MAGA plates.

F Trump. F MAGA. F VA GOP.

Since it seems like you're OK with similar rhetoric: "Whole Political Party Will Die"