Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m watching the Georgia election. If a D comes within five points of the Republican candidate, I’m voting no. I really want to flip seats in VA fair and square. If MTGs seat is that close, the Ds will sweep a ton of seats in 26.

You are living in the past. We are way past "fair and square".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I’d prefer a federal ban on gerrymandering, the Republicans will never go for that.

So if Republicans are ok disenfranchising Democrats in other states then I’m ok disenfranchising Republicans in VA.

They voted for Trump, FFS. They have terrible morals/judgment.

F Rs

Start by defining "gerrymandering".

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While I’d prefer a federal ban on gerrymandering, the Republicans will never go for that.

So if Republicans are ok disenfranchising Democrats in other states then I’m ok disenfranchising Republicans in VA.

They voted for Trump, FFS. They have terrible morals/judgment.

F Rs

Start by defining "gerrymandering".

Start by reading these:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/3750
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449

[Anonymous]

I despise MAGA and everything they are doing to our country and to the world.

That's why I'm voting YES.

F the Rs.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

A Republican distorting facts to lie and misrepresent? Must be a day that ends in "Y!"

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an independent and non-partisan commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an independent and non-partisan commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want to try to justify what the Dems are trying to so. It does not change the fact that they overwhelmingly supported the current commission in 2019. Then, once in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to push against the exact same amendment. One can draw their own conclusions as to why they did that, but it's pretty obvious. Luckily, that push failed and the referendum passed by a landslide, 2/3 vote.

It's fair to Virginians and it's been proven to work over 2 election cycles. Now Dems are back in power and they're looking to blow it up and gerrymander, using a ridiculous new congressional map, to pick up 4 more seats.

So I'll say it again, spare us the righteous indignation.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.

That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter.

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

OMG. Youve fallen into their trap.

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is exactly how it played it.

GFY

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again.

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it:
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide.

Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an independent and non-partisan commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want to try to justify what the Dems are trying to so. It does not change the fact that they overwhelmingly supported the current commission in 2019. Then, once in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to push against the exact same amendment. One can draw their own conclusions as to why they did that, but it's pretty obvious. Luckily, that push failed and the referendum passed by a landslide, 2/3 vote.

It's fair to Virginians and it's been proven to work over 2 election cycles. Now Dems are back in power and they're looking to blow it up and gerrymander, using a ridiculous new congressional map, to pick up 4 more seats.

So I'll say it again, spare us the righteous indignation.

I hope Rs in VA lose ALL representation in Congress. They've demonstrated that their vote can't be trusted.

F MAGAs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

That's not how congressional redistricting works. There are geographic constraints as well; the districts should be as compact as possible. You can't just draw circles around every MAGAs house to build out extra R districts. Rs are too distributed across the state. You'd need very wonky maps to squeeze out more R districts.

But now, that's all out the window. Rs want to play games? Ok, we will play games.

F MAGA.

Serious question - have you even looked at the proposed new map? 5 of the new districts all fan out from slivers of NoVa. The new D-1 goes from Alexandria and winds it's way all the way down to Gloucester. The new D1 stretches from Fairfax all the way down to Mechanicsville, outside of Richmond. Those are just 2 examples. It's a joke. It's are the exact "wonky" you're talking about, only they're designed to squeeze out Dem votes. It's the definition of the same "extreme partisan gerrymandering" that the MD courts used to toss out their maps a few years ago. If passed, don't be surprised if the VA Supreme Court does the same.

The VA Supreme Court didn't mind it when Republicans drew a map doing exactly the same for them. Let's see if they have the integrity to rule similarly now that Democrats are the ones benefitting. I won't hold my breath, though.