Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:I do not have an issue with this guy being deported. He was a hamas supporter here on a student visa and green card.

Not sure what value a visitor who supports terrorism adds to our country.

He will go before an immigration judge and be deported to his home country. Not going to Guantanamo or anything.

Visitor? Do you know what "green card" means? LPR? Lawful permanent resident?

I did read the article and saw that he is from Syria. It doesn’t say whether he is gainfully employed. He’s still living in student housing and is married and expecting a baby. I assume his wife is a student but what work does he do other than agitate? Protests were sparked last week at Barnard and all the protesters wore masks.

The U.S. government already vetted him for his green card. They don't need you to put your P.I. hat on.

It's provisional. And the U.S. Government will definitely allow it to expire rather than life the restrictions. His U.S. Citizen wife should start thinking about what she wants to do when her husband's green card expires, if he is not deported sooner.

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Anonymous wrote:Last week Khalil emailed several Columbia administration officials, saying that he feared for his safety and asking for protection from ICE.

https://zeteo.com/p/scoop-emails-show-mahmoud-khalil-ask-columbia-protection-ice

I am confused by why he is still in student housing and expecting protection from the university since he graduated in December. Do colleges/universities usually all alumnae to continue to live in campus housing after graduation? I always thought you had to move out. Is his wife a current student?

My kids always had to be out of dorms the day after their last exam. I’m thinking the pregnant wife must be a student.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not have an issue with this guy being deported. He was a hamas supporter here on a student visa and green card.

Not sure what value a visitor who supports terrorism adds to our country.

He will go before an immigration judge and be deported to his home country. Not going to Guantanamo or anything.

Visitor? Do you know what "green card" means? LPR? Lawful permanent resident?

I did read the article and saw that he is from Syria. It doesn’t say whether he is gainfully employed. He’s still living in student housing and is married and expecting a baby. I assume his wife is a student but what work does he do other than agitate? Protests were sparked last week at Barnard and all the protesters wore masks.

The U.S. government already vetted him for his green card. They don't need you to put your P.I. hat on.

It's provisional. And the U.S. Government will definitely allow it to expire rather than life the restrictions. His U.S. Citizen wife should start thinking about what she wants to do when her husband's green card expires, if he is not deported sooner.

Then he needs to be charged. And not smuggled across state lines. I know some people are sensitive to "kidnapped."

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Anonymous wrote:Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

You've persuaded me: we Americans are all horrible people.

Sounds like you'd fit right in with Columbia University Apartheid Divest:

"As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

Yes, horrible people support Western Imperalism. That's not an opinion, it's a fact and the fact that only young extreme leftist students have the brains to believe that in America is beyond disgusting.

So are you suggesting (like CUAD) violent attacks on the West?

This is the problem right here acting like the victim even though the US is the main one that has had a history of violence so anything else is simply resistance.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not have an issue with this guy being deported. He was a hamas supporter here on a student visa and green card.

Not sure what value a visitor who supports terrorism adds to our country.

He will go before an immigration judge and be deported to his home country. Not going to Guantanamo or anything.

Visitor? Do you know what "green card" means? LPR? Lawful permanent resident?

I did read the article and saw that he is from Syria. It doesn’t say whether he is gainfully employed. He’s still living in student housing and is married and expecting a baby. I assume his wife is a student but what work does he do other than agitate? Protests were sparked last week at Barnard and all the protesters wore masks.

The U.S. government already vetted him for his green card. They don't need you to put your P.I. hat on.

It's provisional. And the U.S. Government will definitely allow it to expire rather than life the restrictions. His U.S. Citizen wife should start thinking about what she wants to do when her husband's green card expires, if he is not deported sooner.

She'll be fine in whatever garden spot the Palestinians move to, where she can watch the consequences of her husband's improvident political expression once he's far from the shelter of the U.S. But surely they'll both prefer living among their own kind in Yemen or Iran, since the U.S. has proven so unreceptive to their enlightening messages about Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ironic that the Trump wants to deport anyone who is antisemitic, yet half of his white base is probably antisemitic.

Do they know his daughter, SIL and three of his grandchildren are very observant Jews?

His base is fine with it. Only the pro-Hamas poster has an issue.

nah.. they just see Trump as a useful tool.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

NP. That was also a policy directed at people who committed violence. I don't think anyone has alleged that Khalil committed violence.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

Exactly. This guy wasn’t just walking around with a cardboard sign reading “Cease Fire.”

So, if a South African living in the US with a green card during the 80s supported Nelson Mandela and the ANC, should he have been deported back to South Africa? Mandela and the ANC were considered terrorists until 2008.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-government-considered-nelson-mandela-terrorist-until-2008-flna2d11708787

DP. Let's make the hypothetical match the current situation:

How 'bout if our imaginary South African issued a statement supporting murdering white South African civilians en masse and calling for the destruction of western civilization (as CUAD has done)?

Deportable?

Can you provide a cite for the bold -- a statement CUAD made that explicitly supported the murder of Israeli's on Oct. 7th and calling for the destruction of western civilization?

Sure.

1. CUAD calls for "total eradication of western civilization". And, as a bonus, "As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order,” the post reads.

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

2. As for explicitly supporting the murder of Israelis, the quote I provided above unequivocally does exactly that:

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

It's difficult to assess your evidence about explicit support for the murder of Israelis because the NYT link leads to a page not found.

The ABC story is actually about CUAD support for Bengali protests. The ABC story that describes a CUAD post as calling for the "eradication of Western Civilization" is also broken, making it impossible to verify the accuracy of the quotes or context.

TBH, wanting to destroy Western Civilization is a stupid thing to say IMO but it doesn't qualify as support for terrorism. A lot of people both inside and outside think that the current set up of Western Civilization has hurt a lot of people and should change.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

Exactly. This guy wasn’t just walking around with a cardboard sign reading “Cease Fire.”

So, if a South African living in the US with a green card during the 80s supported Nelson Mandela and the ANC, should he have been deported back to South Africa? Mandela and the ANC were considered terrorists until 2008.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-government-considered-nelson-mandela-terrorist-until-2008-flna2d11708787

DP. Let's make the hypothetical match the current situation:

How 'bout if our imaginary South African issued a statement supporting murdering white South African civilians en masse and calling for the destruction of western civilization (as CUAD has done)?

Deportable?

Can you provide a cite for the bold -- a statement CUAD made that explicitly supported the murder of Israeli's on Oct. 7th and calling for the destruction of western civilization?

Sure.

1. CUAD calls for "total eradication of western civilization". And, as a bonus, "As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order,” the post reads.

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

2. As for explicitly supporting the murder of Israelis, the quote I provided above unequivocally does exactly that:

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

It's difficult to assess your evidence about explicit support for the murder of Israelis because the NYT link leads to a page not found.

The ABC story is actually about CUAD support for Bengali protests. The ABC story that describes a CUAD post as calling for the "eradication of Western Civilization" is also broken, making it impossible to verify the accuracy of the quotes or context.

TBH, wanting to destroy Western Civilization is a stupid thing to say IMO but it doesn't qualify as support for terrorism. A lot of people both inside and outside think that the current set up of Western Civilization has hurt a lot of people and should change.

Sorry for the broken link. Here's a gift link that should work: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html?unlocked_article_code=1.204.eMto.GB-5v4lzalT2&smid=url-share

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Anonymous wrote:Those Palestine protesters didn't care enough to vote for Kamala, so I guess I don't care that Trump is doing what he is to them

Word.

The Democratic Party is wasting its time on this. Palestinians aren’t going to support our candidates. I understand that it’s a due process issue but most people want terrorists deported. It’s malpractice that ICE didn't investigate before seizing him. At least look at his funding stream. He was present and interviewed when they broke into the Barnard Library and the staff member was assaulted. My perception was that he was the leader.

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Anonymous wrote:Those Palestine protesters didn't care enough to vote for Kamala, so I guess I don't care that Trump is doing what he is to them

Word.

The Democratic Party is wasting its time on this. Palestinians aren’t going to support our candidates. I understand that it’s a due process issue but most people want terrorists deported. It’s malpractice that ICE didn't investigate before seizing him. At least look at his funding stream. He was present and interviewed when they broke into the Barnard Library and the staff member was assaulted. My perception was that he was the leader.

Exactly. I don't think ICE meant to violate due process. They are just stupid, and now they don't know what to do next. But I'm not shedding a tear over this guy or his family.

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Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.

So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?

DP

Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.

I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.

Did he engage in violent protest?

What did he say or do wrt hamas?

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?