Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:The Ham-a$$ troll is on a roll. Have you got a pay raise?

She probably should register as a foreign agent. We're seeing what happens otherwise.

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Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

Exactly. This guy wasn’t just walking around with a cardboard sign reading “Cease Fire.”

So, if a South African living in the US with a green card during the 80s supported Nelson Mandela and the ANC, should he have been deported back to South Africa? Mandela and the ANC were considered terrorists until 2008.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-government-considered-nelson-mandela-terrorist-until-2008-flna2d11708787

DP. Let's make the hypothetical match the current situation:

How 'bout if our imaginary South African issued a statement supporting murdering white South African civilians en masse and calling for the destruction of western civilization (as CUAD has done)?

Deportable?

Probably not if he's white.

Also, a lot of Irish Americans supported and even funded and provided arms to the IRA, a terrorist organization. They weren't deported either. Why? Cause they are white people.

You are comparing citizen rights to immigrant rights, which is not at all the same for good reason. And you are wrong. Sinn Fein leaders have been denied visas to the US due to their IRA ties, and denied green cards. It is our policy not to harbor violent extremists of any cause, and it’s a good one.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sinn-feins-ohare-denied-visa-for-trip-to-capitol-hill/26208677.html

How do you know if there weren't Irish green card holders in the US funding the IRA? There were even some Congress people supportive of the IRA. Members of our own government supported an extremist group.

And Ireland fully supports Palestine, btw.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/14/1233395830/ireland-pro-palestinian

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

I posted what you responded to. To my non-lawyer trained mind this would seem a grey area at best. He's not providing material support (e.g., money, supplies, harboring), only saying he agrees with what Hamas is doing. I could see not letting an immigrant in who said this at the point of entry interview. But I would think the bar has to be somewhat higher for permanent residents in terms of penalizing them for speech.

If the first amendment applies equally to citizens and noncitizens alike, seems like deporting him for speech is a clear first amendment violation. I thought the default was that laws (except for voting, jury duty, electoral office, etc.) apply to citizens and noncitizens alike.

If we have carve outs for noncitizens, what are they? Can we arrest them at will? Search them without a warrant?

PP here.

It is a massive grey area. But a few things need clarification:

1. You do not need to provide material support to be deportable. The statute provides for deportation of anyone who "endorses or espouses terrorist activity". (Someone posted the full text above if you want to read).

2. The statute specifically says that such endorsement/espousal is both grounds to deny admission AND for deportation.

3. You *might* be right about the first amendment--the law may be found unconstitutional. But it's not at all clear-cut. I spent an hour yesterday reading a Harvard Law Review article which essentially concluded that we don't know whether the Court will find that the first amendment rights of aliens are identical to those of citizens.

I think this is a very close call from a legal perspective and will very likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

It's also interesting from a factual perspective--does serving as the (possibly informal) spokesperson of a "coalition" make the individual responsible for the group's statements?

[Anonymous]

It's ironic that the Trump wants to deport anyone who is antisemitic, yet half of his white base is probably antisemitic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

You've persuaded me: we Americans are all horrible people.

Sounds like you'd fit right in with Columbia University Apartheid Divest:

"As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

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Does this mean we can deport Kanye?

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Anonymous wrote:I do not have an issue with this guy being deported. He was a hamas supporter here on a student visa and green card.

Not sure what value a visitor who supports terrorism adds to our country.

He will go before an immigration judge and be deported to his home country. Not going to Guantanamo or anything.

Visitor? Do you know what "green card" means? LPR? Lawful permanent resident?

I did read the article and saw that he is from Syria. It doesn’t say whether he is gainfully employed. He’s still living in student housing and is married and expecting a baby. I assume his wife is a student but what work does he do other than agitate? Protests were sparked last week at Barnard and all the protesters wore masks.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not have an issue with this guy being deported. He was a hamas supporter here on a student visa and green card.

Not sure what value a visitor who supports terrorism adds to our country.

He will go before an immigration judge and be deported to his home country. Not going to Guantanamo or anything.

Visitor? Do you know what "green card" means? LPR? Lawful permanent resident?

I did read the article and saw that he is from Syria. It doesn’t say whether he is gainfully employed. He’s still living in student housing and is married and expecting a baby. I assume his wife is a student but what work does he do other than agitate? Protests were sparked last week at Barnard and all the protesters wore masks.

The U.S. government already vetted him for his green card. They don't need you to put your P.I. hat on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's ironic that the Trump wants to deport anyone who is antisemitic, yet half of his white base is probably antisemitic.

Do they know his daughter, SIL and three of his grandchildren are very observant Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:It's ironic that the Trump wants to deport anyone who is antisemitic, yet half of his white base is probably antisemitic.

Do they know his daughter, SIL and three of his grandchildren are very observant Jews?

His base is fine with it. Only the pro-Hamas poster has an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

You've persuaded me: we Americans are all horrible people.

Sounds like you'd fit right in with Columbia University Apartheid Divest:

"As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

Yes, horrible people support Western Imperalism. That's not an opinion, it's a fact and the fact that only young extreme leftist students have the brains to believe that in America is beyond disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ironic that the Trump wants to deport anyone who is antisemitic, yet half of his white base is probably antisemitic.

Do they know his daughter, SIL and three of his grandchildren are very observant Jews?

His base is fine with it. Only the pro-Hamas poster has an issue.

You can say this over and over again. It just makes it clear who you are and how anti American you are.