Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is potentially a bad precedent. It will have to go through the courts. The mitigating factor is advocating for Hamas - an officially designated terrorist organization. Yes, we have free speech. But foreign citizens - even Green Card holders - advocating for violent religious extremists like Hamas becomes a national security concern. Hamas is well known for suicide bombings, blowing up buses and restaurants, torture, slavery, kidnappings and so on. Green Card holders seeking to increase the influence of Hamas in America - and college campuses in particular - is definitely pushing some legal boundaries.

If what you have said is true, then the chances are is that he will be deported. For those of you that think deporting him is harsh, when you apply to come to the US, you are asked questions about terrorism etc. I bet he never put on his application that he supported Hamas or any other terrorist organization. If he had, he wouldn't have been allowed into the US in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.

Supporting Palestinians against genocide is not supporting terrorism.

- An American Jew

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.

There is literally a legal process the United States has to go to to strip a green card holder of a green card, and this literally ain’t it.

I’m actually pretty curious about the intersection of green card law and law regarding terroristic activity. I don’t think this is a flat-out free speech issue or a flat-out terroristic threats issue.

There was a case Eric Holder prosecuted during the Obama Administration, but the threshold was materially supporting terrorist activity. Speech was pretty far down the list in terms of what constitutes activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is potentially a bad precedent. It will have to go through the courts. The mitigating factor is advocating for Hamas - an officially designated terrorist organization. Yes, we have free speech. But foreign citizens - even Green Card holders - advocating for violent religious extremists like Hamas becomes a national security concern. Hamas is well known for suicide bombings, blowing up buses and restaurants, torture, slavery, kidnappings and so on. Green Card holders seeking to increase the influence of Hamas in America - and college campuses in particular - is definitely pushing some legal boundaries.

If what you have said is true, then the chances are is that he will be deported. For those of you that think deporting him is harsh, when you apply to come to the US, you are asked questions about terrorism etc. I bet he never put on his application that he supported Hamas or any other terrorist organization. If he had, he wouldn't have been allowed into the US in the first place.

Deporting him isn't harsh. snatching him warrentless from his home and disappearing him without due process is the issue.

[Anonymous]

Are visas issued by the State Department?

While Trump's actions might be viewed as arbitrary and capricious, i'm not sure he doesn't have the authority to revoke a student visa--or at least direct the Secretary of State to do so.

If you can lose your visa for flunking a couple of semesters, your presence here is obviously conditional.

Frankly, I'm not sure I feel that bad for the guy and I despise Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are visas issued by the State Department?

While Trump's actions might be viewed as arbitrary and capricious, i'm not sure he doesn't have the authority to revoke a student visa--or at least direct the Secretary of State to do so.

If you can lose your visa for flunking a couple of semesters, your presence here is obviously conditional.

Frankly, I'm not sure I feel that bad for the guy and I despise Trump.

They can't just snatch people from their homes and kick them out, there is a due process involved.

[Anonymous]

And if they can do it to this guy without due process, then anyone is on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is potentially a bad precedent. It will have to go through the courts. The mitigating factor is advocating for Hamas - an officially designated terrorist organization. Yes, we have free speech. But foreign citizens - even Green Card holders - advocating for violent religious extremists like Hamas becomes a national security concern. Hamas is well known for suicide bombings, blowing up buses and restaurants, torture, slavery, kidnappings and so on. Green Card holders seeking to increase the influence of Hamas in America - and college campuses in particular - is definitely pushing some legal boundaries.

If what you have said is true, then the chances are is that he will be deported. For those of you that think deporting him is harsh, when you apply to come to the US, you are asked questions about terrorism etc. I bet he never put on his application that he supported Hamas or any other terrorist organization. If he had, he wouldn't have been allowed into the US in the first place.

Deporting him isn't harsh. snatching him warrentless from his home and disappearing him without due process is the issue.

A good president would not directly target an individual student in this grandstanding manner. Trump's awfulness is not in question.

But that doesn't mean he lacks the authority to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And if they can do it to this guy without due process, then anyone is on the table.

Where is this process defined?

If it is defined by the State Department, by some interpretations, the POTUS may have the authority to decide how to implement the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And if they can do it to this guy without due process, then anyone is on the table.

Anyone on a student visa, perhaps.

Being here on a student visa is very different than being a permanent resident or a naturalized citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there verification he has a green card. On May 17, 2024 there was an article from Al-Jazeera

A 29-year-old Palestinian refugee raised in Syria, Khalil wanted to get involved in the on-campus activism against the war, but he was nervous. Khalil faced a dilemma common to international students: He was in the United States on an F-1 student visa. His ability to stay in the country hinged on his continued enrolment as a full-time student.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/17/international-students-risk-immigration-status-to-engage-in-gaza-protests

His lawyer and wife say he got the green card within the past year. Last year he only had the visa.

His wife is also a us citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are visas issued by the State Department?

While Trump's actions might be viewed as arbitrary and capricious, i'm not sure he doesn't have the authority to revoke a student visa--or at least direct the Secretary of State to do so.

If you can lose your visa for flunking a couple of semesters, your presence here is obviously conditional.

Frankly, I'm not sure I feel that bad for the guy and I despise Trump.

He is not here on a student visa. He has a green card.

The state department can not just decide to revoke a green card. There is a procedure that has to be followed; only an immigration judge can revoke the green card.

This is a violation of his rights.

If the administration can do this do green card holders for pro-Palestinian speech, then what is stop them for doing this with pro-trans rights activists or any other issue that they don't like?

Every one of us should be outraged.

[Anonymous]

Apparently there was an online campaign to get this guy deported. But nobody did their homework and knew he had a green card and not a visa. Or maybe they did and didn't care. From Dropsite news:

Over the course of Thursday and Friday, several prominent pro-Israel groups and individuals published a series of tweets targeting Khalil, mentioning his presence at the sit-in on Wednesday and his history as a lead negotiator with Columbia in April 2024, and demanded that the Trump administration act strongly against him by revoking his visa and deporting him. They tagged President Donald Trump, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and US Attorney General Pam Bondi.

Shai Davidai, a professor at Columbia Business School, who was suspended from entering Columbia’s Morningside campus in 2024 following allegations of misconduct against students and staff of the university, tweeted, “Illegally taking over a college in which you are not even enrolled and distributing terrorist propaganda should be a deportable offense, no? Because that’s what Mahmoud Khalil from @ColumbiaSJP did yesterday at @BarnardCollege”.

“Documenting Jew Hatred on Campus at Columbia U”—an account on X with more than 20,000 followers—tweeted, “Secretary Rubio (@SecRubio), please revoke Mahmoud Khalil's visa!” On March 6, Rubio had tweeted that “those who support designated terrorist organizations, including Hamas, threaten our national security” and that such “violators of U.S law—including international students—face visa denial or revocation, and deportation.”

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/dhs-detains-columbia-university-student-gaza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if they can do it to this guy without due process, then anyone is on the table.

Where is this process defined?

If it is defined by the State Department, by some interpretations, the POTUS may have the authority to decide how to implement the process.

Dur process comes from the constitution. The president cannot overrule it.

[Anonymous]

I can’t wait until we can designate maga as a terrorist organization.