Why did Kamala lose ?

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

The biggest problem Dems have are not the candidates but their inability to listen. So many would be Democrats left the party after they spent four years being called Russian trolls whenever they brought up concerns or voiced that they thought Biden was not senile or well. Dems claimed he was “sharp as a tack”, and all the video clips were “fake Russian news/deep fakes”.

I've never been listened to by any Republican on DCUM and I've been posting here for almost 10 years. Never.

You usually just ignore me and repost the same dumb shit that I just spent time debunking with citations or pointing out the logical fallacy or whatever other flaw.

Don't say "Dems don't listen" without realizing that you don't listen.

Were you called Vlad or stupid? I bet not.

The condescension and vicious rancor is often from the left. The sitting president said Trump should be put in the bullseye hours before he was shot. He said he wanted to take Trump behind the gym and beat him up, he called Trump supporters garbage, Hillary called half the country baskets of deplorables. Let’s not forget Democrats call the Midwest flyover states. Republicans call it Americas heartland.

Words matter and the people hate Dems because they know they hate or look down on them. If you don’t like your countrymen or think they’re stupid or beyond repair, why do you want their votes? Democrats lack emotional maturity

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

Even the Republicans have shown the neocons the door.

Thanks to Trump. When Trump received cheers at the first or second Republican debate when he criticized the “stupid” wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that was a groundbreaking shift. Trump and Obama both were vocally anti Iraq war in 2003/2004 and both are direct results of the bipartisan neocon rejection by Americans.

Trump saved the Republican Party and kicked out the neocons and now they’re politically homeless

Agree. But then when Dems happily accept endorsements from these people it makes me wonder, who in America still thinks the neocon movement has something to offer? Strange.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

"7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation"

This would be a big bonus to her credit, but she is more of a moderate conservative candidate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People love Trump. They do. It’s the truth. That may be hard to hear and impossible for you to understand, but it’s true. People love Trump.

I think a minority love Trump, but a majority believes he will help their pocketbooks by reducing taxes and the outflow of money to immigrants. That's all my Republican relatives talk about. They have distaste for Trump as a person but want the policies he espouses, and don't have a particularly nuanced understanding of the implications of his policies (tariffs, harming our alliances etc.)

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure. But, I saw a post by an acquaintance this am that said: I voted red because I don't want boys in girls locker rooms.
This...this is the hill you'll die on? I should mention she's very uneducated.

It’s emblematic of something bigger…including things like an outright dismissal of legitimate concerns coupled with an elitist judgment of their lack of education.

I mean, we just lost…to a really unqualified and dangerous person…and the knee jerk reaction is that more than half the country is stupid and we are smarter…really? If we were smarter, we would have won. We would have had better messaging that acknowledged all the concerns raised by voters over the last few years.

I can’t imagine any sane parent of daughters thinking Trump is the better option here. Explain it to me like I’m 5.

Hey kid, remember the story "the emperor's new clothes", the one where all the adults lied and pretended to see something that wasn't there and the little kid spoke the truth?

it's like that

That's how we feel about Trump. HE is the one not wearing any clothes and everyone is pretending he is totally normal and fine!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

A list 100 times this long could have been made about Trump, with much much worse things on it. By any objective measure, she was a highly qualified candidate and Trump did a poor job as president. But objective measures are not why you didn't vote for her - you simply didn't want to. You didn't "like" her and therefore used all the reasons you heard on Fox News or Facebook or the rumor mill to justify not voting for her. But ultimately, you just didn't "like" her for your own personal reasons. Maybe you don't like strong women, maybe there is something about her that rubs you the wrong way, maybe you don't like people of color, or Indians, or women who wear sneakers with suits. Whatever it was, it wasn't really about policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

The biggest problem Dems have are not the candidates but their inability to listen. So many would be Democrats left the party after they spent four years being called Russian trolls whenever they brought up concerns or voiced that they thought Biden was not senile or well. Dems claimed he was “sharp as a tack”, and all the video clips were “fake Russian news/deep fakes”.

I've never been listened to by any Republican on DCUM and I've been posting here for almost 10 years. Never.

You usually just ignore me and repost the same dumb shit that I just spent time debunking with citations or pointing out the logical fallacy or whatever other flaw.

Don't say "Dems don't listen" without realizing that you don't listen.

Were you called Vlad or stupid? I bet not.

The condescension and vicious rancor is often from the left. The sitting president said Trump should be put in the bullseye hours before he was shot. He said he wanted to take Trump behind the gym and beat him up, he called Trump supporters garbage, Hillary called half the country baskets of deplorables. Let’s not forget Democrats call the Midwest flyover states. Republicans call it Americas heartland.

Words matter and the people hate Dems because they know they hate or look down on them. If you don’t like your countrymen or think they’re stupid or beyond repair, why do you want their votes? Democrats lack emotional maturity

Yes there are one or two incidents over the past decade you can point to but meanwhile Trump says these things every time he speaks and you give him a pass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

Not the PP, but they didn't scream. I think the problem is that Democrats have actually given people a better candidate. They have tried giving everything that it seemed like people wanted, and in fact most people do agree with democratic policy positions. The problem is that they don't actually know what anyone's policy positions are, and mainly vote based on rumor, gossip, GOP talking points, and who they "like" better. Democrats need to understand what Trump knows already - that Americans are poorly educated and can't understand anything complex. So your idea of constantly looking inward as if the Democratic platform and candidates aren't good enough is simply a distraction. The candidates and the platform are fine. It's the approach that is lacking - they need to find a way to fight back in the post-truth era, with a population that responds only to populism because it can't understand anything else.

Ughhhh "Democrats need to cultivate their own lying populist demagogues who pander to the dumbest, most un-nuanced in America" isn't the outcome I'd want.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

Trump tapped into an underlying racist and hate groups in this country. I don’t believe we had a Floyd beating to death under Biden but I expect more under Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

Prime example of a condescending leftie

[Anonymous]

Kamala lost because a whole swath of voters refused to vote for anyone for President.

My parents voted for all the local election stuff and voted blue for all, but left the president blank. They hate Trump but also hate what has happened the last 4 years under the Biden admin and view Harris as an offshoot of Biden.

My friend who worked as an election official said she said many ballots going into the machines without any marks for President.

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Anonymous wrote:People love Trump. They do. It’s the truth. That may be hard to hear and impossible for you to understand, but it’s true. People love Trump.

I think a minority love Trump, but a majority believes he will help their pocketbooks by reducing taxes and the outflow of money to immigrants. That's all my Republican relatives talk about. They have distaste for Trump as a person but want the policies he espouses, and don't have a particularly nuanced understanding of the implications of his policies (tariffs, harming our alliances etc.)

Precisely. I have a lot of friends, even some educated and intelligent ones, who insisted Trump would be good for their pocketbooks. But they don't actually understand the implications of what he plans to do, or could do. And they don't want to hear it. It's really hard to understand this level of willful ignorance.

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That's not Cooper, btw

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

You wanting a better candidate with better policies does not justify letting the worse candidate and worse policies win.

Also, it seems you want to reinforce the idea that any criticism that applies to Democrats does not apply to Republicans and they automatically get a pass no matter what.

You’re rephrasing the same non-argument - it will never work. It won’t pull a single vote. It’s a rotten strategy. If I am a lifelong born and raised Democratic voter, which I am, the circus of the GOP is not my concern. It’s not my universe. I’m not giving anyone a “pass” - and the accusation that I am is a lie. It is amazing to me that you cling to this. There’s nothing anyone can say obviously.