Why did Kamala lose ?

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

The biggest problem Dems have are not the candidates but their inability to listen. So many would be Democrats left the party after they spent four years being called Russian trolls whenever they brought up concerns or voiced that they thought Biden was not senile or well. Dems claimed he was “sharp as a tack”, and all the video clips were “fake Russian news/deep fakes”.

I've never been listened to by any Republican on DCUM and I've been posting here for almost 10 years. Never.

You usually just ignore me and repost the same dumb shit that I just spent time debunking with citations or pointing out the logical fallacy or whatever other flaw.

Don't say "Dems don't listen" without realizing that you don't listen.

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The Democrats are out of touch with Americans and their concerns. They’re pandering to the 1% of illegals and trans students and not the majority of Americans

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure. But, I saw a post by an acquaintance this am that said: I voted red because I don't want boys in girls locker rooms.
This...this is the hill you'll die on? I should mention she's very uneducated.

It’s emblematic of something bigger…including things like an outright dismissal of legitimate concerns coupled with an elitist judgment of their lack of education.

I mean, we just lost…to a really unqualified and dangerous person…and the knee jerk reaction is that more than half the country is stupid and we are smarter…really? If we were smarter, we would have won. We would have had better messaging that acknowledged all the concerns raised by voters over the last few years.

I can’t imagine any sane parent of daughters thinking Trump is the better option here. Explain it to me like I’m 5.

Hey kid, remember the story "the emperor's new clothes", the one where all the adults lied and pretended to see something that wasn't there and the little kid spoke the truth?

it's like that

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1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed about result but at least this time I'm not surprised, these are some of the issues the independent people I know have said that are pulling them away from Democrats.

-lenient with illegal immigration
-tremendous impopularity of refugee cities whose budgets have been impacted by dealing with flood of migrants
-emphasis on wokeness, trans issues, DEI (all things that I care about but average person does not)
-perception that Trump will bring more blue collar jobs back home
-tremendous impopularity of Biden
-handling of Israel/Gaza war

+1. And Biden calling people “garbage” a week before the election didn’t help either (though I thought her response and distance to his comments was good).

Trump was calling Pierre ricans garbage a week before the election, called for the suppression of the free press, and for Liz Cheneys execution all in the past week. Not sure why Dems are judged on a double standard. The question isn’t why Kamala lost - it’s why did trump win despite all of his disqualifying factors including counted felonies, staging a coup, being twice impeached for quid pro quo and trying to obstruct democracy, his general vileness and all the other corruption of his first term.

And I honestly have no idea. I am completely puzzled. Trump is a disaster of a candidate. My best guess is that voters just didn’t “like” Kamala for the same reasons they didn’t “like” Hillary- deeply rooted misogyny. The war in Gaza also likely fractured democratic support, not unlike Bernie bros in 2016.

Hilary and Kamala are two deeply unlikable women. I held my nose and voted for both but neither one have a shred of likability.

And Trump is likable? Why must women be likable to be electable when men do not?

Hillary was a far superior candidate to both Kamala and, goes without saying, Trump. Brilliant, hard working, sharp, articulate, put in her time in real policy shaping roles, actually won a primary. Any man with her qualifications would have beat Trump, especially in 2024. This country just hates women and they have to clear hurdles that men do not.

because women don't want to vote for people they don't like, see why woment don't vote for trump to the same degree men did

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

The biggest problem Dems have are not the candidates but their inability to listen. So many would be Democrats left the party after they spent four years being called Russian trolls whenever they brought up concerns or voiced that they thought Biden was not senile or well. Dems claimed he was “sharp as a tack”, and all the video clips were “fake Russian news/deep fakes”.

This isn't why. Plenty of (most?) democrats would agree with this but STILL not vote for Trump or abstain.

All the posts criticizing Harris and the party can be true and still not explain why people voted FOR Trump/the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

Not the PP, but they didn't scream. I think the problem is that Democrats have actually given people a better candidate. They have tried giving everything that it seemed like people wanted, and in fact most people do agree with democratic policy positions. The problem is that they don't actually know what anyone's policy positions are, and mainly vote based on rumor, gossip, GOP talking points, and who they "like" better. Democrats need to understand what Trump knows already - that Americans are poorly educated and can't understand anything complex. So your idea of constantly looking inward as if the Democratic platform and candidates aren't good enough is simply a distraction. The candidates and the platform are fine. It's the approach that is lacking - they need to find a way to fight back in the post-truth era, with a population that responds only to populism because it can't understand anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

Country is racist and sexiest. Surprise

There’s 20+ pages here of people telling you why it happened. Get your head out of the sand and listen to them, or the same thing will happen again in four years.

So far they've told us they are hysterical about the handful of trans athletes and other weird things.

If you’re that incapable of comprehending the concerns being expressed here, you deserve to lose and to keep losing.

Seems they are incapable.

Calling voters nazis isn’t a winning strategy?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

You wanting a better candidate with better policies does not justify letting the worse candidate and worse policies win.

Also, it seems you want to reinforce the idea that any criticism that applies to Democrats does not apply to Republicans and they automatically get a pass no matter what.

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Anonymous wrote:Because this is a deeply stupid country. Given the choice between democracy and fascism, we chose fascism. God help us.

What are you taking about? We voted out the fascists.

One party tries to kill the other candidates like they were some authoritarian regime. News flash it wasn’t Trump

You must be a troll. The only candidate that said outright he had an "enemies list" and referred to the other side as "the enemy within" was Trump.

Last I checked Trump was shot at.

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You chose a fascist. No amount of rationalizing will excuse that. You knew it, you voted for him anyway. Complaining that the lifeboat you were offered didn't have a midnight buffet seems a little self-serving.

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Anonymous wrote:People love Trump. They do. It’s the truth. That may be hard to hear and impossible for you to understand, but it’s true. People love Trump.

I disagree. A lot of people hate Trump, but voted him because they really hate what the Democratic Party has become. I know many Trump voters in my family, and they all think he is a terrible person, but still voted for him because the Dems are too woke and the immigration issue.

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Anonymous wrote:14 million democratic voters didnt get their pick... silence

THE PARTY installed this candidate... silence

Why did Kamala lose?.... UUGGGHHH!

If there is a single greatest cause, I think that would be it. Sure, she may seem less bad than Trump so I voted for her, but she wasn't even in my top 3 in the 2020 primary.

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A dad instead of a stepmom. Always.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

Even the Republicans have shown the neocons the door.

Thanks to Trump. When Trump received cheers at the first or second Republican debate when he criticized the “stupid” wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that was a groundbreaking shift. Trump and Obama both were vocally anti Iraq war in 2003/2004 and both are direct results of the bipartisan neocon rejection by Americans.

Trump saved the Republican Party and kicked out the neocons and now they’re politically homeless

Yep. When your party aligns itself with the Cheney family it’s time to ask yourself…are we the baddies?