The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will find out there was some kind of incident between Cameron and Ethan when they were roommates. Maybe some kind of hazing ritual, or Cameron doing something really awful while drunk, or maybe something worse. One theory I have is that Ethan is bi and Cameron suspected it, came onto Ethan in order to get it confirmed, and then Cameron revealed it was all a ruse to find out if Ethan would be into it and now Cameron uses this incident as silent blackmail against Ethan. And maybe that's why Ethan didn't feel like he could bail on the night with Ethan while the girls were gone, and why he is following "bro code" and not just telling Harper what happened since he didn't do anything wrong.

But I also think Harper is very sharp and might be sniffing this out. She has already noticed that Ethan acts different around Cameron and she knows he lied about the night with Cameron, but she's being very methodical in how she draws it out of him. I think she might intuitively understand the whole situation but she knows that the only way to protect her marriage is if Ethan tells her himself. I think she'd be fine with him being bi and also more than happy to help Ethan find a way to flip the tables on Cameron, but she needs Ethan to come clean with her, not just about the night at the hotel but about his whole past with Cameron.

I could be totally off base but that's how I'm reading what appears to be obvious subtext in that relationship.

Given what we know about Harper, she may be bi too - and I don't think she'd care if her husband is bi. She might care if he's cheating - or they might have some arrangement - but I don't think him being bi would faze her one bit.

Clearly she's got a heightened something around Cameron - she seems to loathe him and also to be titillated by him. I think if it's just that he and Ethan had a thing in college, she'd be relieved.

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I think Harper wants someone to want her. And Ethan seems so uninterested in her that she's feeling annoyed.

Cameron on the other hand (for what are surely manipulative, underhanded reasons) is letting her know that he wants her. And as she feels more and more vulnerable as her relationship which she's based her life on seems unsure / not great, she's more vulnerable to Cameron's manipulation.

Also, as much as Cameron is an uber-douche he's also hot as hell. So, you know, in a weak moment she might go for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Harper was just in shock when she found the condom wrapper. she's trying to make sense of it all in her head before saying something. but leaving it on the bathroom counter means it will have to be addressed the next day, right? It looks like from the preview Ethan meets Lucia and Mia near the front desk so he probably has to pay them the rest of what's owed but then harper sees them.

I definitely think the story about the woman in the house on the island is foreshadowing something. What if Dominic's wife does come and then it's her in the water. Maybe far fetched but I feel like that would fit and be an interesting twist.

I'm confused about the Valentina story now. Giving the other woman the broach was just weird.

I think at this point she still trusts Ethan deep down and is trying to piece together the whole series of events, including her “abduction” by Daphne. She’s on to something but can’t quite connect the dots yet. I expect the misunderstanding will deepen tragically before she’s able to figure anything out, though.

I think she trusts Ethan deep down too, but I don’t understand not confronting him about it. It’s a hotel not his personal home. It would be possible for that to be left over in the seat cushions from the last hotel guests, for example. I half expected Ethan to find the wrapper in her makeup kit or whatever she stashed it in, and for the misunderstanding to deepen that way.

Me too

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone recognize the French gay as the coworker on Emily in Paris?

I knew I knew him from somewhere. Hadnt' figured out where yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Harper wants someone to want her. And Ethan seems so uninterested in her that she's feeling annoyed.

Cameron on the other hand (for what are surely manipulative, underhanded reasons) is letting her know that he wants her. And as she feels more and more vulnerable as her relationship which she's based her life on seems unsure / not great, she's more vulnerable to Cameron's manipulation.

Also, as much as Cameron is an uber-douche he's also hot as hell. So, you know, in a weak moment she might go for that.

The main reason I don't think this is what is going on with the Harper/Ethan/Cameron/Daphne storyline is that it would too closely parallel what is going on with Portia. Like Portia's whole deal is that she wants a guy and she's been presented with Albie but he's not alpha enough for her at the moment so she's ditching him for this other guy. If it turns out that Harper is also just annoyed that Ethan isn't alpha enough for her and winds up cheating on him with Cameron, who is super alpha, I will frankly be annoyed because this is such a trite message about men and women ("women like bad boys, nice guys can't win"). It's boring.

So for that reason I don't think that's what will happen with Harper. I do sense the tension between her and Cameron, but I think there's a lot more hate on both sides than attraction. Cameron wants to win over Harper purely for power reasons (to prove to Ethan he can, and so he can manipulate Ethan more), and Harper just genuinely dislikes Cameron and everything he stands for even if she can acknowledge he's attractive. Her actual husband is also hot as hell so I don't think she's going to be that turned around by a guy just because he has Theo James' body.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will find out there was some kind of incident between Cameron and Ethan when they were roommates. Maybe some kind of hazing ritual, or Cameron doing something really awful while drunk, or maybe something worse. One theory I have is that Ethan is bi and Cameron suspected it, came onto Ethan in order to get it confirmed, and then Cameron revealed it was all a ruse to find out if Ethan would be into it and now Cameron uses this incident as silent blackmail against Ethan. And maybe that's why Ethan didn't feel like he could bail on the night with Ethan while the girls were gone, and why he is following "bro code" and not just telling Harper what happened since he didn't do anything wrong.

But I also think Harper is very sharp and might be sniffing this out. She has already noticed that Ethan acts different around Cameron and she knows he lied about the night with Cameron, but she's being very methodical in how she draws it out of him. I think she might intuitively understand the whole situation but she knows that the only way to protect her marriage is if Ethan tells her himself. I think she'd be fine with him being bi and also more than happy to help Ethan find a way to flip the tables on Cameron, but she needs Ethan to come clean with her, not just about the night at the hotel but about his whole past with Cameron.

I could be totally off base but that's how I'm reading what appears to be obvious subtext in that relationship.

Given what we know about Harper, she may be bi too - and I don't think she'd care if her husband is bi. She might care if he's cheating - or they might have some arrangement - but I don't think him being bi would faze her one bit.

Clearly she's got a heightened something around Cameron - she seems to loathe him and also to be titillated by him. I think if it's just that he and Ethan had a thing in college, she'd be relieved.

I disagree. For her character, faithfulness seems paramount. She is deeply upset by infidelity. It seems to be her deal breaker. She's also Puerto Rican, likely Catholic where infidelity is a 'sin'. I do not think she'd be okay with a 'bi' husband and certainly isn't going to condone gay sex behind her back.

She does want a man to want her and, even though she strongly protests, she is very jealous of Daphne and the way Cameron is into her and shows her physical affection, etc.

The bed scene with Portia at the end seemed foreboding. It looked like she was about to protest/not give consent. I think in that split second she was having second thoughts. I think that scene will end up being a 'date rape' thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will find out there was some kind of incident between Cameron and Ethan when they were roommates. Maybe some kind of hazing ritual, or Cameron doing something really awful while drunk, or maybe something worse. One theory I have is that Ethan is bi and Cameron suspected it, came onto Ethan in order to get it confirmed, and then Cameron revealed it was all a ruse to find out if Ethan would be into it and now Cameron uses this incident as silent blackmail against Ethan. And maybe that's why Ethan didn't feel like he could bail on the night with Ethan while the girls were gone, and why he is following "bro code" and not just telling Harper what happened since he didn't do anything wrong.

But I also think Harper is very sharp and might be sniffing this out. She has already noticed that Ethan acts different around Cameron and she knows he lied about the night with Cameron, but she's being very methodical in how she draws it out of him. I think she might intuitively understand the whole situation but she knows that the only way to protect her marriage is if Ethan tells her himself. I think she'd be fine with him being bi and also more than happy to help Ethan find a way to flip the tables on Cameron, but she needs Ethan to come clean with her, not just about the night at the hotel but about his whole past with Cameron.

I could be totally off base but that's how I'm reading what appears to be obvious subtext in that relationship.

Given what we know about Harper, she may be bi too - and I don't think she'd care if her husband is bi. She might care if he's cheating - or they might have some arrangement - but I don't think him being bi would faze her one bit.

Clearly she's got a heightened something around Cameron - she seems to loathe him and also to be titillated by him. I think if it's just that he and Ethan had a thing in college, she'd be relieved.

I disagree. For her character, faithfulness seems paramount. She is deeply upset by infidelity. It seems to be her deal breaker. She's also Puerto Rican, likely Catholic where infidelity is a 'sin'. I do not think she'd be okay with a 'bi' husband and certainly isn't going to condone gay sex behind her back.

She does want a man to want her and, even though she strongly protests, she is very jealous of Daphne and the way Cameron is into her and shows her physical affection, etc.

The bed scene with Portia at the end seemed foreboding. It looked like she was about to protest/not give consent. I think in that split second she was having second thoughts. I think that scene will end up being a 'date rape' thing.

Oh, she's also jealous that Daphne has children. She wants a family, but her husband does not want to have sex with her. He was looking at other women on the computer (big boob women), not men, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:I think before the end we should have a better understanding of the history between Cameron and Ethan. Did Ethan hit on Cameron once at college and now Cameron is trying to lure him in to use that info? What is going on in Ethan’s head? He hasn’t really done any total douchbro things yet — is it coming? Or is he a good guy that is still going to lose his marriage?

I think maybe the twist will be that Ethan will do something heartless to Cameron and his wife that turns the tables on how they have been playing him and Harper.

Did Cameron plant that wrapper?

Asked and answered. Cam hooked up with Lucia on the sofa and left the wrapper there. He did not “plant” it.

I am confident he did plant it - he's trying to drive a wedge between Harper and Ethan. Not sure why yet - if it's some play to ruin Ethan, or what.

I 1000000% see why Portia wanted to hook up with the nephew guy. She was looking to be thrown against a wall on this trip - remember? I don't think she's considering who she wants to marry and have children with - she's in this weird hotel in this beautiful place, but having a boring time so far. She wants to not be sad and bored. She must have some backstory we don't know yet - it can't just be that she's an unhappy personal assistant, the end.

Poor Albie. Who knows - maybe he and Lucia will geniunely fall in love.

I feel like Christopher - sorry, Dominic - just isn't giving us very much. Sort of, one expression, one note - sad, sad, a little sad and mad, sad. I don't know if that's the character being underwritten, the limitations of the actor, or what. He's being written to have no charisma, and that's just not what I want from Christopher Moltisanti!

I like the grandad character. His riff about finding Mia and Lucia in his room was very funny and human.

Both Michael Imperioli and F Murray Abraham are sadly underused in this.

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Just heard a cool side-story on a podcast:

This picture was in the old man's room and Lucia saw it and did a sign of the cross. Apparently it's St. Lucy:

"Santa Lucia (Saint Lucy) is a Catholic saint who was born in Syracuse, Sicily, in 283 AD and was martyred at the age of 20...Lucia vowed at a young age to live her life in the service of Christ. Lucia’s mother attempted an arranged marriage for her daughter to a pagan man. When Lucia refused, the angry suitor reported her to Roman authorities, and Lucia subsequently was sentenced to life in a brothel and forced into prostitution."

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard a cool side-story on a podcast:

This picture was in the old man's room and Lucia saw it and did a sign of the cross. Apparently it's St. Lucy:

"Santa Lucia (Saint Lucy) is a Catholic saint who was born in Syracuse, Sicily, in 283 AD and was martyred at the age of 20...Lucia vowed at a young age to live her life in the service of Christ. Lucia’s mother attempted an arranged marriage for her daughter to a pagan man. When Lucia refused, the angry suitor reported her to Roman authorities, and Lucia subsequently was sentenced to life in a brothel and forced into prostitution."

Link to to the painting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy#/media/File:Saint_Lucy_by_Domenico_di_Pace_Beccafumi.jpg

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Anonymous wrote:Valentina is a lesbian and has a crush on the subordinate desk girl. She’s getting flustered like a school girl.

The British nephew looked like he was about to rape Portia. He was so crass and working class Manchester.

Harper wondered if Ethan hooked up with a guy or a woman. She probably thought he might be gay due to lack of affection, no interest in sex.

From the scenes for next week, they made it look like Harper screws Cameron and Ethan is banging on the door trying to get in. They also show Ethan strangling Cameron underwater. He was wearing a white tee shirt like the guy that had his arm around Cameron’s neck.

I loved the gay party/entourage, but I also get the feeling they are targeted Tanya because a she’s a multi-millionaire.

I thought he said he was from Essex.

He did. And Essex is known for being low-class. There was even a reality show like The Jersey Shore about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Harper was just in shock when she found the condom wrapper. she's trying to make sense of it all in her head before saying something. but leaving it on the bathroom counter means it will have to be addressed the next day, right? It looks like from the preview Ethan meets Lucia and Mia near the front desk so he probably has to pay them the rest of what's owed but then harper sees them.

I definitely think the story about the woman in the house on the island is foreshadowing something. What if Dominic's wife does come and then it's her in the water. Maybe far fetched but I feel like that would fit and be an interesting twist.

I'm confused about the Valentina story now. Giving the other woman the broach was just weird.

I think at this point she still trusts Ethan deep down and is trying to piece together the whole series of events, including her “abduction” by Daphne. She’s on to something but can’t quite connect the dots yet. I expect the misunderstanding will deepen tragically before she’s able to figure anything out, though.

I think she trusts Ethan deep down too, but I don’t understand not confronting him about it. It’s a hotel not his personal home. It would be possible for that to be left over in the seat cushions from the last hotel guests, for example. I half expected Ethan to find the wrapper in her makeup kit or whatever she stashed it in, and for the misunderstanding to deepen that way.

Me too

Me three. And that's when I thought ugh, this show is heading into Three's Company territory.

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard a cool side-story on a podcast:

This picture was in the old man's room and Lucia saw it and did a sign of the cross. Apparently it's St. Lucy:

"Santa Lucia (Saint Lucy) is a Catholic saint who was born in Syracuse, Sicily, in 283 AD and was martyred at the age of 20...Lucia vowed at a young age to live her life in the service of Christ. Lucia’s mother attempted an arranged marriage for her daughter to a pagan man. When Lucia refused, the angry suitor reported her to Roman authorities, and Lucia subsequently was sentenced to life in a brothel and forced into prostitution."

What podcast? Sounds interesting.
I’m enjoying the season and love all yalls commentary. Some brilliant people on these boards.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will find out there was some kind of incident between Cameron and Ethan when they were roommates. Maybe some kind of hazing ritual, or Cameron doing something really awful while drunk, or maybe something worse. One theory I have is that Ethan is bi and Cameron suspected it, came onto Ethan in order to get it confirmed, and then Cameron revealed it was all a ruse to find out if Ethan would be into it and now Cameron uses this incident as silent blackmail against Ethan. And maybe that's why Ethan didn't feel like he could bail on the night with Ethan while the girls were gone, and why he is following "bro code" and not just telling Harper what happened since he didn't do anything wrong.

But I also think Harper is very sharp and might be sniffing this out. She has already noticed that Ethan acts different around Cameron and she knows he lied about the night with Cameron, but she's being very methodical in how she draws it out of him. I think she might intuitively understand the whole situation but she knows that the only way to protect her marriage is if Ethan tells her himself. I think she'd be fine with him being bi and also more than happy to help Ethan find a way to flip the tables on Cameron, but she needs Ethan to come clean with her, not just about the night at the hotel but about his whole past with Cameron.

I could be totally off base but that's how I'm reading what appears to be obvious subtext in that relationship.

I hate to reduce this down to high school type metaphors, but I think that's exactly what's going on. Harper and Ethan were the wallflower type smart kids, Daphne and Cameron were/are the cheerleader and football star. Everyone is insecure, but Ethan and Harper keenly feel reduced to their old roles. Think about the number of times Ethan has put himself down. He doesn't even really like Cameron, but accepted a trip from him? It's an old dynamic playing out. Ethan thought he had moved past it, but is angry at himself for continuing to play into it. Similarly, Harper pretends to be above it all, but it's actually incredibly important to her that she feel superior to Daphne and Cameron. Except, like any wallflower, she can't resist flattery from the football star.

Cameron knows Ethan is a lot smarter than him and that eventually Ethan will evolve and greatly outshine him. That's why Cameron is making a move on Harper.

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Anonymous wrote:I think before the end we should have a better understanding of the history between Cameron and Ethan. Did Ethan hit on Cameron once at college and now Cameron is trying to lure him in to use that info? What is going on in Ethan’s head? He hasn’t really done any total douchbro things yet — is it coming? Or is he a good guy that is still going to lose his marriage?

I think maybe the twist will be that Ethan will do something heartless to Cameron and his wife that turns the tables on how they have been playing him and Harper.

Did Cameron plant that wrapper?

Asked and answered. Cam hooked up with Lucia on the sofa and left the wrapper there. He did not “plant” it.

I am confident he did plant it - he's trying to drive a wedge between Harper and Ethan. Not sure why yet - if it's some play to ruin Ethan, or what.

I 1000000% see why Portia wanted to hook up with the nephew guy. She was looking to be thrown against a wall on this trip - remember? I don't think she's considering who she wants to marry and have children with - she's in this weird hotel in this beautiful place, but having a boring time so far. She wants to not be sad and bored. She must have some backstory we don't know yet - it can't just be that she's an unhappy personal assistant, the end.

Poor Albie. Who knows - maybe he and Lucia will geniunely fall in love.

I feel like Christopher - sorry, Dominic - just isn't giving us very much. Sort of, one expression, one note - sad, sad, a little sad and mad, sad. I don't know if that's the character being underwritten, the limitations of the actor, or what. He's being written to have no charisma, and that's just not what I want from Christopher Moltisanti!

I like the grandad character. His riff about finding Mia and Lucia in his room was very funny and human.

Both Michael Imperioli and F Murray Abraham are sadly underused in this.

Yes. There's a lot of star power in this series but we are mainly seeing the more minor actors.