BOE/MCPS is a mess

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Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?

Living in one of the neighborhoods that were reassigned and having seen neighbors and friends moving or contemplating a move or sending their kids to private; and knowing a bunch of families in the other neighborhoods that are experiencing the same thing. And the fact that Neelsville enrollment is down has been communicated multiple times by the Neelsville principal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?

Living in one of the neighborhoods that were reassigned and having seen neighbors and friends moving or contemplating a move or sending their kids to private; and knowing a bunch of families in the other neighborhoods that are experiencing the same thing. And the fact that Neelsville enrollment is down has been communicated multiple times by the Neelsville principal.

Ah, that well-known reliable source of data: These People I Know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?

Living in one of the neighborhoods that were reassigned and having seen neighbors and friends moving or contemplating a move or sending their kids to private; and knowing a bunch of families in the other neighborhoods that are experiencing the same thing. And the fact that Neelsville enrollment is down has been communicated multiple times by the Neelsville principal.

Ah, that well-known reliable source of data: These People I Know.

Not only is the PP's info unreliable, it's incorrect. In the boundary study, the projected 2021-22 enrollment with Neelsville's new boundary was 757. Official 2021-22 enrollment for Neelsville is 792.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/SVHS_SuptRecOptionTableUpdated.pdf

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2021/OfficialEnrollment_2022.pdf

[Anonymous]

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OR SCHOOL CHOICE. Let's get rid of the magnet programs that are only in a handful of schools, add great programs, including GT at each school; and allow ALL families a selection of schools within their "region" to choose from; and make sure that each school doesn't go over a predetermined percentage of FARMS. Busing doesn't fix a thing because people with means and who are forced to schools that they don't want to attend will just move.

Yes, just remember the mass exodus from Horizon Hill after it was rezoned from Wootton to RM, to say nothing of the mass exodus from Milestone after it was rezoned from Clarksburg to Seneca Valley.

No, wait, actually, that didn't happen.

Quite a few families did move out of Horizon Hill and properties in that neighborhood still lag behind the neighborhood right next to it by 15% because of busing that occured like 30 years ago. As for Millstone, give it a few years and the same thing will happen.

Yes, and other families moved in. Because that's what happens with neighborhoods.

I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

[Anonymous]

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OK, so your retort to my comment about WXY being a diversity consultant is that their last big project was a garage and not D15's busing plan? Seems quite weak.

And thank you for reenforcing my point about the boundary analysis. WXY did everything they could (outreach) to secure the opinions they were hired to provide, but obviously couldn't dig up enough people who favored busing. The only logical conclusion is that no one in MoCo supports busing. If it was a poll instead of targeted outreach, that 90% who said they favor neighborhood schools would haelve been 95%.

WXY has done a lot of interesting projects. Thank you for sending me to their project page to look.

https://www.wxystudio.com/projects

What they aren't, is a polling/opinion research firm.

OK so you're going with "WXY is terrible at getting public opinion for a project they've been hired to get public opinion on"?

[Anonymous]

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I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

Property values in Horizon Hill are still 15% lower than they were in 1987? Oh wow.

[Anonymous]

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OK, so your retort to my comment about WXY being a diversity consultant is that their last big project was a garage and not D15's busing plan? Seems quite weak.

And thank you for reenforcing my point about the boundary analysis. WXY did everything they could (outreach) to secure the opinions they were hired to provide, but obviously couldn't dig up enough people who favored busing. The only logical conclusion is that no one in MoCo supports busing. If it was a poll instead of targeted outreach, that 90% who said they favor neighborhood schools would haelve been 95%.

WXY has done a lot of interesting projects. Thank you for sending me to their project page to look.

https://www.wxystudio.com/projects

What they aren't, is a polling/opinion research firm.

There are quite a few busing projects on that page.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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OK, so your retort to my comment about WXY being a diversity consultant is that their last big project was a garage and not D15's busing plan? Seems quite weak.

And thank you for reenforcing my point about the boundary analysis. WXY did everything they could (outreach) to secure the opinions they were hired to provide, but obviously couldn't dig up enough people who favored busing. The only logical conclusion is that no one in MoCo supports busing. If it was a poll instead of targeted outreach, that 90% who said they favor neighborhood schools would haelve been 95%.

WXY has done a lot of interesting projects. Thank you for sending me to their project page to look.

https://www.wxystudio.com/projects

What they aren't, is a polling/opinion research firm.

OK so you're going with "WXY is terrible at getting public opinion for a project they've been hired to get public opinion on"?

Maybe you can use some of your free time to google the difference between polling and outreach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?

Living in one of the neighborhoods that were reassigned and having seen neighbors and friends moving or contemplating a move or sending their kids to private; and knowing a bunch of families in the other neighborhoods that are experiencing the same thing. And the fact that Neelsville enrollment is down has been communicated multiple times by the Neelsville principal.

Ah, that well-known reliable source of data: These People I Know.

Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

[Anonymous]

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I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

Property values in Horizon Hill are still 15% lower than they were in 1987? Oh wow.

15% lower than the properties across the street that are assigned to Wootton. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
OK, so your retort to my comment about WXY being a diversity consultant is that their last big project was a garage and not D15's busing plan? Seems quite weak.

And thank you for reenforcing my point about the boundary analysis. WXY did everything they could (outreach) to secure the opinions they were hired to provide, but obviously couldn't dig up enough people who favored busing. The only logical conclusion is that no one in MoCo supports busing. If it was a poll instead of targeted outreach, that 90% who said they favor neighborhood schools would haelve been 95%.

WXY has done a lot of interesting projects. Thank you for sending me to their project page to look.

https://www.wxystudio.com/projects

What they aren't, is a polling/opinion research firm.

OK so you're going with "WXY is terrible at getting public opinion for a project they've been hired to get public opinion on"?

Maybe you can use some of your free time to google the difference between polling and outreach.

Again, thank you for reenforcing my point. WXY was specifically hired to do outreach to obtain the opinions of people they thought would support busing. They still couldn't find anyone. So either WXY is terrible at their job or no one supports busing or, most likely, both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

Property values in Horizon Hill are still 15% lower than they were in 1987? Oh wow.

15% lower than the properties across the street that are assigned to Wootton. Try to keep up.

I bet the people who moved in after 1987 (i.e. likely almost everyone in Horizon Hill) have appreciated that.

[Anonymous]

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Again, thank you for reenforcing my point. WXY was specifically hired to do outreach to obtain the opinions of people they thought would support busing. They still couldn't find anyone. So either WXY is terrible at their job or no one supports busing or, most likely, both.

The contract with WXY is a public document. Please cite that clause in the contract that states that.

[Anonymous]

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

Property values in Horizon Hill are still 15% lower than they were in 1987? Oh wow.

15% lower than the properties across the street that are assigned to Wootton. Try to keep up.

I bet the people who moved in after 1987 (i.e. likely almost everyone in Horizon Hill) have appreciated that.

Right. But what they don't appreciate is not attending the high school located (checks map) 300 yards from their neighborhood. #walkerswillremainwalkers #notheywont #busing