BOE/MCPS is a mess

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In other words, the diversity consultant MCPS hired to usher in busing failed miserably in delivering the opinions they were paid to deliver.

Nah, in other words, the architecture/urban design/planning consultant MCPS hired to analyze school boundaries in Montgomery County did a great job of analyzing school boundaries in Montgomery County.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/boundary-analysis/

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It's worse than a proposal. It's a done deal. Back in 2018 the BOE altered the boundary policy and made diversity the top factor, even higher than proximity. All that's left to do is the boundary studies and MCPS will have busing. The only way to stop this is to elect BOE members who will comit to changing the boundary policy to align with what the overwhelming majority of people (90% in fact) want which is for proximity to be the top favtor.

There have already been boundary studies, and your so-called "done deal" didn't happen.

There's only been one large one and a lot of kids upcounty are now being bused to balance demographics. If the BOE orders a countywide boundary study like they were on track to do before Covid, everyone is going to be bused.

I guess the other boundary studies don't support your alarm narrative...

Of course, the Northwest-Seneca Valley-Clarksburg boundary study ALSO doesn't support your alarm narrative.

But why let reality interfere with your hobby of posting alarm narratives on DCUM?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/boundary.aspx

Al the other ones were tiny studies so there want much chance to rave-shuffle the schools. They did do some of that however. And in the upcountry study they did a lot of it, so much in fact that residents there filed a lawsuit due to the BOE's underhandedness during the process and especially during the boundary policy revision process. In case you didn't know, the BOE elevated diversity over the other 3 factors and didn't notify the public about it until it was passed. How corrupt.

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It's worse than a proposal. It's a done deal. Back in 2018 the BOE altered the boundary policy and made diversity the top factor, even higher than proximity. All that's left to do is the boundary studies and MCPS will have busing. The only way to stop this is to elect BOE members who will comit to changing the boundary policy to align with what the overwhelming majority of people (90% in fact) want which is for proximity to be the top favtor.

There have already been boundary studies, and your so-called "done deal" didn't happen.

There's only been one large one and a lot of kids upcounty are now being bused to balance demographics. If the BOE orders a countywide boundary study like they were on track to do before Covid, everyone is going to be bused.

I guess the other boundary studies don't support your alarm narrative...

Of course, the Northwest-Seneca Valley-Clarksburg boundary study ALSO doesn't support your alarm narrative.

But why let reality interfere with your hobby of posting alarm narratives on DCUM?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/boundary.aspx

Al the other ones were tiny studies so there want much chance to rave-shuffle the schools. They did do some of that however. And in the upcountry study they did a lot of it, so much in fact that residents there filed a lawsuit due to the BOE's underhandedness during the process and especially during the boundary policy revision process. In case you didn't know, the BOE elevated diversity over the other 3 factors and didn't notify the public about it until it was passed. How corrupt.

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In other words, the diversity consultant MCPS hired to usher in busing failed miserably in delivering the opinions they were paid to deliver.

Nah, in other words, the architecture/urban design/planning consultant MCPS hired to analyze school boundaries in Montgomery County did a great job of analyzing school boundaries in Montgomery County.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/boundary-analysis/

WXY's last big project before being hired by MCPS was to design and implement a busing plan in NYC's District 15. And obviously you don't think they did a good job here because you keep saying they didn't get a representative sample in the analysis. So which is it, did they do a terrible job or do people in MoCo not care about diversity all that much and I overwhelmingly support proximity?

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So you think they only want SOME schools to be more diverse?

I think they have limits as to how far they are willing to bus children. Making a bunch of Black and Latino kids sit on a bus for that long would look terrible politically from all sides, as you well know. But keep fear mongering you disgusting sack.of sh$t.

I mean, they did it in the 70s and sold it as a great benefit to black kids even though it was a disaster. And it's exactly what they're proposing to do now despite the fact that 90% of the county doesn't want it. So don't be surprised when they do it again you disgusting sack of sh$t.

False. There has been no such proposal.

It's worse than a proposal. It's a done deal. Back in 2018 the BOE altered the boundary policy and made diversity the top factor, even higher than proximity. All that's left to do is the boundary studies and MCPS will have busing. The only way to stop this is to elect BOE members who will comit to changing the boundary policy to align with what the overwhelming majority of people (90% in fact) want which is for proximity to be the top favtor.

We already had an election on this and your side lost. As it turns out, an unrepresentative online survey is not a great way to gauge public opinion. Shocking, I know.

Yes, it is. I'm not the same person you've been arguing with. I never voted on this and the fact that someone out there seems to think the board has a mandate is wrong.

I'm in favor of proximity first, then diversity based on proximity. I don't want the board shuffling my kid around because of skin color. You're just as racist as anyone out there (although you think you're not).

Also, every time I hear someone argue that the survey was unrepresentative, my counter to that is even with a "margin of error" you would still be barking up the wrong tree. Read the room.

This is why I will absolutely never vote for an incumbent from 2018, and will encourage anyone to do likewise. Sure, I may not have the votes the Apple Ballot does, and since District candidates can be voted upon by anyone so the MCEA can just cajole their constituency to "vote Apple Ballot" but if anyone thinks the board is doing a good job, they need to take a deeper look.

Decades of research show that concentrated poverty in schools hurts children, so it makes sense to consider demographucs in boundary studies. But nobody is proposing "shuffling kids around" every year to balance demographics, and people who fear monger like this are rightfully ignored by the majority of voters. I don't love the Apple Ballot but I'll take it over this garbage any day. The Apple Ballot wins when the only alternatives are nutjobs like you.

The only fix for solving concentrated poverty in schools is busing. So if you want to solve that you obviously support busing. No one wants busing whether it's every year (Lynn Harris actually wonderd about this in an email to fellow pro-busers) or even once. MoCo families want stability and proximity and don't care about what their kids classmates look like or what kind of cars their parents drive.

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The only fix for solving concentrated poverty in schools is busing. So if you want to solve that you obviously support busing. No one wants busing whether it's every year (Lynn Harris actually wonderd about this in an email to fellow pro-busers) or even once. MoCo families want stability and proximity and don't care about what their kids classmates look like or what kind of cars their parents drive.

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-straw-man/

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In other words, the diversity consultant MCPS hired to usher in busing failed miserably in delivering the opinions they were paid to deliver.

Nah, in other words, the architecture/urban design/planning consultant MCPS hired to analyze school boundaries in Montgomery County did a great job of analyzing school boundaries in Montgomery County.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/boundary-analysis/

WXY's last big project before being hired by MCPS was to design and implement a busing plan in NYC's District 15. And obviously you don't think they did a good job here because you keep saying they didn't get a representative sample in the analysis. So which is it, did they do a terrible job or do people in MoCo not care about diversity all that much and I overwhelmingly support proximity?

Actually it was the DSNY Garage and Salt Shed: https://www.wxystudio.com/projects/architecture/dsny_garage_and_salt_shed

Also, it's time you learned the difference between polling and outreach.

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So you think they only want SOME schools to be more diverse?

I think they have limits as to how far they are willing to bus children. Making a bunch of Black and Latino kids sit on a bus for that long would look terrible politically from all sides, as you well know. But keep fear mongering you disgusting sack.of sh$t.

I mean, they did it in the 70s and sold it as a great benefit to black kids even though it was a disaster. And it's exactly what they're proposing to do now despite the fact that 90% of the county doesn't want it. So don't be surprised when they do it again you disgusting sack of sh$t.

False. There has been no such proposal.

It's worse than a proposal. It's a done deal. Back in 2018 the BOE altered the boundary policy and made diversity the top factor, even higher than proximity. All that's left to do is the boundary studies and MCPS will have busing. The only way to stop this is to elect BOE members who will comit to changing the boundary policy to align with what the overwhelming majority of people (90% in fact) want which is for proximity to be the top favtor.

We already had an election on this and your side lost. As it turns out, an unrepresentative online survey is not a great way to gauge public opinion. Shocking, I know.

Yes, it is. I'm not the same person you've been arguing with. I never voted on this and the fact that someone out there seems to think the board has a mandate is wrong.

I'm in favor of proximity first, then diversity based on proximity. I don't want the board shuffling my kid around because of skin color. You're just as racist as anyone out there (although you think you're not).

Also, every time I hear someone argue that the survey was unrepresentative, my counter to that is even with a "margin of error" you would still be barking up the wrong tree. Read the room.

This is why I will absolutely never vote for an incumbent from 2018, and will encourage anyone to do likewise. Sure, I may not have the votes the Apple Ballot does, and since District candidates can be voted upon by anyone so the MCEA can just cajole their constituency to "vote Apple Ballot" but if anyone thinks the board is doing a good job, they need to take a deeper look.

Decades of research show that concentrated poverty in schools hurts children, so it makes sense to consider demographucs in boundary studies. But nobody is proposing "shuffling kids around" every year to balance demographics, and people who fear monger like this are rightfully ignored by the majority of voters. I don't love the Apple Ballot but I'll take it over this garbage any day. The Apple Ballot wins when the only alternatives are nutjobs like you.

The only fix for solving concentrated poverty in schools is busing. So if you want to solve that you obviously support busing. No one wants busing whether it's every year (Lynn Harris actually wonderd about this in an email to fellow pro-busers) or even once. MoCo families want stability and proximity and don't care about what their kids classmates look like or what kind of cars their parents drive.

OR SCHOOL CHOICE. Let's get rid of the magnet programs that are only in a handful of schools, add great programs, including GT at each school; and allow ALL families a selection of schools within their "region" to choose from; and make sure that each school doesn't go over a predetermined percentage of FARMS. Busing doesn't fix a thing because people with means and who are forced to schools that they don't want to attend will just move.

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OR SCHOOL CHOICE. Let's get rid of the magnet programs that are only in a handful of schools, add great programs, including GT at each school; and allow ALL families a selection of schools within their "region" to choose from; and make sure that each school doesn't go over a predetermined percentage of FARMS. Busing doesn't fix a thing because people with means and who are forced to schools that they don't want to attend will just move.

Yes, just remember the mass exodus from Horizon Hill after it was rezoned from Wootton to RM, to say nothing of the mass exodus from Milestone after it was rezoned from Clarksburg to Seneca Valley.

No, wait, actually, that didn't happen.

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In other words, the diversity consultant MCPS hired to usher in busing failed miserably in delivering the opinions they were paid to deliver.

Nah, in other words, the architecture/urban design/planning consultant MCPS hired to analyze school boundaries in Montgomery County did a great job of analyzing school boundaries in Montgomery County.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/boundary-analysis/

WXY's last big project before being hired by MCPS was to design and implement a busing plan in NYC's District 15. And obviously you don't think they did a good job here because you keep saying they didn't get a representative sample in the analysis. So which is it, did they do a terrible job or do people in MoCo not care about diversity all that much and I overwhelmingly support proximity?

Actually it was the DSNY Garage and Salt Shed: https://www.wxystudio.com/projects/architecture/dsny_garage_and_salt_shed

Also, it's time you learned the difference between polling and outreach.

OK, so your retort to my comment about WXY being a diversity consultant is that their last big project was a garage and not D15's busing plan? Seems quite weak.

And thank you for reenforcing my point about the boundary analysis. WXY did everything they could (outreach) to secure the opinions they were hired to provide, but obviously couldn't dig up enough people who favored busing. The only logical conclusion is that no one in MoCo supports busing. If it was a poll instead of targeted outreach, that 90% who said they favor neighborhood schools would haelve been 95%.

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OR SCHOOL CHOICE. Let's get rid of the magnet programs that are only in a handful of schools, add great programs, including GT at each school; and allow ALL families a selection of schools within their "region" to choose from; and make sure that each school doesn't go over a predetermined percentage of FARMS. Busing doesn't fix a thing because people with means and who are forced to schools that they don't want to attend will just move.

Yes, just remember the mass exodus from Horizon Hill after it was rezoned from Wootton to RM, to say nothing of the mass exodus from Milestone after it was rezoned from Clarksburg to Seneca Valley.

No, wait, actually, that didn't happen.

Quite a few families did move out of Horizon Hill and properties in that neighborhood still lag behind the neighborhood right next to it by 15% because of busing that occured like 30 years ago. As for Millstone, give it a few years and the same thing will happen.

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OR SCHOOL CHOICE. Let's get rid of the magnet programs that are only in a handful of schools, add great programs, including GT at each school; and allow ALL families a selection of schools within their "region" to choose from; and make sure that each school doesn't go over a predetermined percentage of FARMS. Busing doesn't fix a thing because people with means and who are forced to schools that they don't want to attend will just move.

Yes, just remember the mass exodus from Horizon Hill after it was rezoned from Wootton to RM, to say nothing of the mass exodus from Milestone after it was rezoned from Clarksburg to Seneca Valley.

No, wait, actually, that didn't happen.

Quite a few families did move out of Horizon Hill and properties in that neighborhood still lag behind the neighborhood right next to it by 15% because of busing that occured like 30 years ago. As for Millstone, give it a few years and the same thing will happen.

Yes, and other families moved in. Because that's what happens with neighborhoods.

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OK, so your retort to my comment about WXY being a diversity consultant is that their last big project was a garage and not D15's busing plan? Seems quite weak.

And thank you for reenforcing my point about the boundary analysis. WXY did everything they could (outreach) to secure the opinions they were hired to provide, but obviously couldn't dig up enough people who favored busing. The only logical conclusion is that no one in MoCo supports busing. If it was a poll instead of targeted outreach, that 90% who said they favor neighborhood schools would haelve been 95%.

WXY has done a lot of interesting projects. Thank you for sending me to their project page to look.

https://www.wxystudio.com/projects

What they aren't, is a polling/opinion research firm.

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OR SCHOOL CHOICE. Let's get rid of the magnet programs that are only in a handful of schools, add great programs, including GT at each school; and allow ALL families a selection of schools within their "region" to choose from; and make sure that each school doesn't go over a predetermined percentage of FARMS. Busing doesn't fix a thing because people with means and who are forced to schools that they don't want to attend will just move.

Yes, just remember the mass exodus from Horizon Hill after it was rezoned from Wootton to RM, to say nothing of the mass exodus from Milestone after it was rezoned from Clarksburg to Seneca Valley.

No, wait, actually, that didn't happen.

Quite a few families did move out of Horizon Hill and properties in that neighborhood still lag behind the neighborhood right next to it by 15% because of busing that occured like 30 years ago. As for Millstone, give it a few years and the same thing will happen.

Yes, and other families moved in. Because that's what happens with neighborhoods.

Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

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Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?