Seriously with the book banning ?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.

Dp. Sex ed is IS also about oral sex. How can you not understand this?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

DP in the context of the book I think these scenes are not meant as titillating and pornographic. Just like Judy Blume, whose books have been challenged. Parents might feel uncomfortable with the idea of their kids reading some of her stories, but they are the sorts of issues that kids wonder and think about. The body is not a gross disgusting shameful thing. It’s so much healthier for kids to be comfortable with their bodies than ashamed of them.
And again, if you think these things are shameful and too adult for your 16 year old to know about, that’s your prerogative as a parent. You don’t get to dictate what other parents decide for theirs.

I read Judy Blume's "are you there, God?" She didnt talk about tasting her vaginal fluid or wanting c---- in her mouth.

Where is the line? Is there one?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.

I distinctly recall someone asking the sex ed teacher to explain fellatio when I was a junior. Why do you want teenagers to be in the dark about such things? Are you repressed? Healthy sexuality means being able to discuss sex without embarrassment.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.

I distinctly recall someone asking the sex ed teacher to explain fellatio when I was a junior. Why do you want teenagers to be in the dark about such things? Are you repressed? Healthy sexuality means being able to discuss sex without embarrassment.

These are discussions for parents and children. Random teachers should not be talking to children about this. This is an issue of values, not education.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

DP in the context of the book I think these scenes are not meant as titillating and pornographic. Just like Judy Blume, whose books have been challenged. Parents might feel uncomfortable with the idea of their kids reading some of her stories, but they are the sorts of issues that kids wonder and think about. The body is not a gross disgusting shameful thing. It’s so much healthier for kids to be comfortable with their bodies than ashamed of them.
And again, if you think these things are shameful and too adult for your 16 year old to know about, that’s your prerogative as a parent. You don’t get to dictate what other parents decide for theirs.

I read Judy Blume's "are you there, God?" She didnt talk about tasting her vaginal fluid or wanting c---- in her mouth.

Where is the line? Is there one?

Do you think vaginal fluid is shameful? I get that you find that scene icky. But some kids might be curious. What would you do if your DD was curious about it? Would you even be able to hsve a conversation with her?

Do you object to children’s books about poop? Because ick, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

DP in the context of the book I think these scenes are not meant as titillating and pornographic. Just like Judy Blume, whose books have been challenged. Parents might feel uncomfortable with the idea of their kids reading some of her stories, but they are the sorts of issues that kids wonder and think about. The body is not a gross disgusting shameful thing. It’s so much healthier for kids to be comfortable with their bodies than ashamed of them.
And again, if you think these things are shameful and too adult for your 16 year old to know about, that’s your prerogative as a parent. You don’t get to dictate what other parents decide for theirs.

I read Judy Blume's "are you there, God?" She didnt talk about tasting her vaginal fluid or wanting c---- in her mouth.

Where is the line? Is there one?

Not one you should be drawing, that's for sure, Church Lady.

Most seniors in high school are 18 and ADULTS.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.

I distinctly recall someone asking the sex ed teacher to explain fellatio when I was a junior. Why do you want teenagers to be in the dark about such things? Are you repressed? Healthy sexuality means being able to discuss sex without embarrassment.

These are discussions for parents and children. Random teachers should not be talking to children about this. This is an issue of values, not education.

It wasn’t random, it was a sex-ed teacher and she answered matter of factly. It’s a fact of life that oral sex is a part of many human beings’ sex life. You want to cover your kids’s ears so they don’t discover what fellatio is in a respectful classroom setting, take them out of sex ed. they’ll probably end up as the wildest, most experimental ones because you’ve made it off-limits and mysterious.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.

I distinctly recall someone asking the sex ed teacher to explain fellatio when I was a junior. Why do you want teenagers to be in the dark about such things? Are you repressed? Healthy sexuality means being able to discuss sex without embarrassment.

These are discussions for parents and children. Random teachers should not be talking to children about this. This is an issue of values, not education.

Uh, no.

It is indeed education. And they aren't "random teachers." They are the ones trained to teach sexual EDUCATION.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.

I distinctly recall someone asking the sex ed teacher to explain fellatio when I was a junior. Why do you want teenagers to be in the dark about such things? Are you repressed? Healthy sexuality means being able to discuss sex without embarrassment.

These are discussions for parents and children. Random teachers should not be talking to children about this. This is an issue of values, not education.

It wasn’t random, it was a sex-ed teacher and she answered matter of factly. It’s a fact of life that oral sex is a part of many human beings’ sex life. You want to cover your kids’s ears so they don’t discover what fellatio is in a respectful classroom setting, take them out of sex ed. they’ll probably end up as the wildest, most experimental ones because you’ve made it off-limits and mysterious.

Newsflash: you can be sexually normal while also knowing that there is a time and a place for sexual behavior and sexual content. Not knowing boundaries, and acting out sexually in public, is a sign of mental illness.

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The only way to teach this in a public is more clinically and legalistically (eg, consent). Leave the morality discussions to parents.

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I do understand why you might decide you don't want your kids reading xyz books. But why do you think you get to decide what my kids read? That is so controlling I am not sure why anyone is for it.

As to the discussions of pornography - there has to be a process within each system for someone to lodge a complaint that something is pornographic. In FCPS, someone lodged a complaint about this book. FCPS pulled the book, and then had a board review the book. They found that it was not pornography. And they substantiated their position, and returned the book to circulation. The fact that some people disagree with that characterization is not surprising, but honestly I thought they did a fair and good job. The book is not pornographic in my view. And books with difficult subjects are exactly the books that should be protected.

Stop your kids from reading whatever you want. I will continue to encourage my children to read anything they want to. I believe it is the very best thing I can do to give them strength and knowledge as they prepare to go out into the world.

Look earlier in this thread - there are book bans going on in adult libraries too. Again so controlling I am not sure why any rational person would be for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I do understand why you might decide you don't want your kids reading xyz books. But why do you think you get to decide what my kids read? That is so controlling I am not sure why anyone is for it.

As to the discussions of pornography - there has to be a process within each system for someone to lodge a complaint that something is pornographic. In FCPS, someone lodged a complaint about this book. FCPS pulled the book, and then had a board review the book. They found that it was not pornography. And they substantiated their position, and returned the book to circulation. The fact that some people disagree with that characterization is not surprising, but honestly I thought they did a fair and good job. The book is not pornographic in my view. And books with difficult subjects are exactly the books that should be protected.

Stop your kids from reading whatever you want. I will continue to encourage my children to read anything they want to. I believe it is the very best thing I can do to give them strength and knowledge as they prepare to go out into the world.

Look earlier in this thread - there are book bans going on in adult libraries too. Again so controlling I am not sure why any rational person would be for it.

Because a lot of people don’t tune in to politics regularly and what is regurgitated by the corporate media, or even by the right wing media that some people consume thinking it’s the news, will think of this however they frame it. Neither corporate media nor right wing media are going to frame this for what it is: a shocking overstep by controlling people with bad educations.

There are already provisions for parents to prevent their children from reading anything that might enlighten them about the world and the people in it. Whackadoos like the controlling church lady on this thread just don’t find that to be sufficient. The offending material must be gone, removed and not even in the library.

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How do other Democratic societies handle books like GenderQueer with overt sexual content in schools? Does anyone even question a book like that?

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Anonymous wrote:I do understand why you might decide you don't want your kids reading xyz books. But why do you think you get to decide what my kids read? That is so controlling I am not sure why anyone is for it.

As to the discussions of pornography - there has to be a process within each system for someone to lodge a complaint that something is pornographic. In FCPS, someone lodged a complaint about this book. FCPS pulled the book, and then had a board review the book. They found that it was not pornography. And they substantiated their position, and returned the book to circulation. The fact that some people disagree with that characterization is not surprising, but honestly I thought they did a fair and good job. The book is not pornographic in my view. And books with difficult subjects are exactly the books that should be protected.

Stop your kids from reading whatever you want. I will continue to encourage my children to read anything they want to. I believe it is the very best thing I can do to give them strength and knowledge as they prepare to go out into the world.

Look earlier in this thread - there are book bans going on in adult libraries too. Again so controlling I am not sure why any rational person would be for it.

Yes, parents are using processes to get books removed from school libraries. That is the topic of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

DP in the context of the book I think these scenes are not meant as titillating and pornographic. Just like Judy Blume, whose books have been challenged. Parents might feel uncomfortable with the idea of their kids reading some of her stories, but they are the sorts of issues that kids wonder and think about. The body is not a gross disgusting shameful thing. It’s so much healthier for kids to be comfortable with their bodies than ashamed of them.
And again, if you think these things are shameful and too adult for your 16 year old to know about, that’s your prerogative as a parent. You don’t get to dictate what other parents decide for theirs.

I read Judy Blume's "are you there, God?" She didnt talk about tasting her vaginal fluid or wanting c---- in her mouth.

Where is the line? Is there one?

Do you think vaginal fluid is shameful? I get that you find that scene icky. But some kids might be curious. What would you do if your DD was curious about it? Would you even be able to hsve a conversation with her?

Do you object to children’s books about poop? Because ick, right?

I dont think it is normal for families to have discussions about tasting vaginal fluid. There are a range of topics that are atypical in any setting, much less as a fireside chat with the family. If this is something that is normal to you, I sincerely wish you peace and healing.