Seriously with the book banning ?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

It is kinda out there for me but I would not be freaking out and calling people perverts and trying to ban it.

This whole line of "children until 12th grade" line of thinking is ridiculous. Kids become sexually mature in their teens and if you aren’t dealing with the reality of this you are a terrible parent. Even my uptight parents gave me books that dealt with periods, sex and reproduction...with drawings of penises even!!!!!! When I was 13. But even at 14 I saw through the propaganda of the book..."when a husband and wife love each other very much..."

If my kid were that interested and wanted to read it I wouldn't stop him.

This book at least deals with the emotions of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

I dont care if adults see it. If you purchase it for your child, I would question your judgment, yes. But what I am putting my foot down about is having this material and others like it in schools. Taxpayer money should not be used to purchase and distribute images of children engaged in sex acts. That sounds like a hot take to you, I'm sure, but children should be protected from sexual material that they are not yet ready for. The fact that you believe there is no limitation on the state exposing children to graphic sex causes me to wonder where you draw the line.

Yeah, I am another taxpayer, and I don't want people like you dictating what anyone should see.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

I dont care if adults see it. If you purchase it for your child, I would question your judgment, yes. But what I am putting my foot down about is having this material and others like it in schools. Taxpayer money should not be used to purchase and distribute images of children engaged in sex acts. That sounds like a hot take to you, I'm sure, but children should be protected from sexual material that they are not yet ready for. The fact that you believe there is no limitation on the state exposing children to graphic sex causes me to wonder where you draw the line.

Yeah, I am another taxpayer, and I don't want people like you dictating what anyone should see.

So porn everywhere and anywhere then? No boundaries on sexual content at all?

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I’ll never be okay with groups who oppose teaching science (evolution, ed) trying to dictate what sexual content is acceptable for teenagers to access or which books should be banned. I’m uncomfortable with compromising even though I can see why genderqueer is controversial. If you give them an inch they’ll take a mile, much like the Supreme Court nominations being blocked then pushed through, and how we’ve gone from being able to access safe abortions to forcing women and children to travel out of state for healthcare or face unsafe pregnancies and lawmakers wanting to ban birth control. Not to mention 1/6. If these fools start with small wins about which books the kids in their town’s school have access to, it’s going to lead to further restrictions in those schools and trying to spread it to counties and states. This isn’t okay.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

I dont care if adults see it. If you purchase it for your child, I would question your judgment, yes. But what I am putting my foot down about is having this material and others like it in schools. Taxpayer money should not be used to purchase and distribute images of children engaged in sex acts. That sounds like a hot take to you, I'm sure, but children should be protected from sexual material that they are not yet ready for. The fact that you believe there is no limitation on the state exposing children to graphic sex causes me to wonder where you draw the line.

Yeah, I am another taxpayer, and I don't want people like you dictating what anyone should see.

So porn everywhere and anywhere then? No boundaries on sexual content at all?

If you call this comic drawing porn there is no helping you.

James Joyce’s Dubliners was also once deemed porn and banned. You’d have been on the committee to axe that from the library back in the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

We can’t take you seriously when you call this book pornography.

Go ahead and challenge it in court. You’ll see it does’t meet the criteria for pornography.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

I dont care if adults see it. If you purchase it for your child, I would question your judgment, yes. But what I am putting my foot down about is having this material and others like it in schools. Taxpayer money should not be used to purchase and distribute images of children engaged in sex acts. That sounds like a hot take to you, I'm sure, but children should be protected from sexual material that they are not yet ready for. The fact that you believe there is no limitation on the state exposing children to graphic sex causes me to wonder where you draw the line.

Yeah, I am another taxpayer, and I don't want people like you dictating what anyone should see.

So porn everywhere and anywhere then? No boundaries on sexual content at all?

This is not "porn."

Do you have a teen boy? You do realize they masterxxxx pretty much nonstop from puberty on? Because they are sexual beings. Even at 15.

You can try to hide your head in the sand, but if you don't properly prepare them for what is ahead, beyond a purity pledge or some garbage like that, you are failing at one of the most important parenting jobs you have.

My parents made sure I was very prepared on at least the basic facts. I was born to an unwed mother and didn't want to continue the trend. But I think a book like this comic book would have been good for me to see at about 16 on up.

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If you call this comic drawing porn there is no helping you.

James Joyce’s Dubliners was also once deemed porn and banned. You’d have been on the committee to axe that from the library back in the day.

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For every sane person who doesn’t want to live under the yoke of fanatical “Christianity” and fascism, be sure to vote straight Democratic ticket and make sure that you get several reliable Democratic voters to the polls with you. This is not a joke. This book isn’t even pornographic and the one pearl clutches won’t admit that, so what else will get culled next time? Books from a Democratic POV? Books that treat all religions equally? It won’t stop with “pornography.”

Vote these dumb emmer effers out.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll never be okay with groups who oppose teaching science (evolution, ed) trying to dictate what sexual content is acceptable for teenagers to access or which books should be banned. I’m uncomfortable with compromising even though I can see why genderqueer is controversial. If you give them an inch they’ll take a mile, much like the Supreme Court nominations being blocked then pushed through, and how we’ve gone from being able to access safe abortions to forcing women and children to travel out of state for healthcare or face unsafe pregnancies and lawmakers wanting to ban birth control. Not to mention 1/6. If these fools start with small wins about which books the kids in their town’s school have access to, it’s going to lead to further restrictions in those schools and trying to spread it to counties and states. This isn’t okay.

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Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

A pretend organ with no nerve endings whatsoever, an awkward experience that the couple mutually agrees to stop because it’s not fulfilling to both of them? Do you also find those Amish “romance” novels to be “pornography” too?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

DP in the context of the book I think these scenes are not meant as titillating and pornographic. Just like Judy Blume, whose books have been challenged. Parents might feel uncomfortable with the idea of their kids reading some of her stories, but they are the sorts of issues that kids wonder and think about. The body is not a gross disgusting shameful thing. It’s so much healthier for kids to be comfortable with their bodies than ashamed of them.
And again, if you think these things are shameful and too adult for your 16 year old to know about, that’s your prerogative as a parent. You don’t get to dictate what other parents decide for theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - a person wearing a dildo and another person giving them a blow job pretty much fits the definition of pornography. If you can’t admit that, there is just nothing more to say.

This has nothing to do with sex education.

Sex ed is not just about reproduction.

You’re right! For Republicans, sex ed is about girls pledging their virginity to their fathers and everyone praising Jesus and learning that birth control makes you get pregnant. Abstinence only for all!

Can’t believe I’m bothering to respond to a troll, but here we are. Sex ed is not about using dildos and giving blow jobs. That you think it is (or *should* be) speaks volumes about you and what you expose your kids to.