Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

It is not nearly that high. One Russian KIA is under 200k. Probably under 100k as no one knows how many dead there really are.

Casualties are in 5 digits per Russian.

You factor in lost Russian HW and lots of it cannot ever be replaced and ROI to the west is probably 1000 to 1 dollar spent.

Russia will need 30-40 years to recover.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/07/how-much-aid-has-the-u-s-sent-to-ukraine/70778581007/

[Anonymous]

Also if you include the released prisoners who survived Wagner and are back in Russia they are also killing other Russians. If include the murders they will commit in Russia the investment will keep paying off long after the war is over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

Yep, even the HIMARS are 1990s-vintage. It's old, to-be-decommissioned stock that we already paid for and which we needed to be rotating for newer equipment anyhow.

Yes. Exactly right.

Almost everything sent to Ukraine is old equipment that was due to be decommissioned regardless.

It's actually cheaper to send to Ukraine than to decommission.

Now we're talking about F-16s. That's a plane from 1976.

The return on investment has been outstanding. Russia is obviously a very weak country. We're sending some old-timey weapons to Ukraine and Russia is getting absolutely wrecked as a consequence.

Good stuff.

The greatest thing Russia ever did is invade Ukraine.

Dumbasses. NATO will take advantage of that as long as Russian soldiers are in Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

It is not nearly that high. One Russian KIA is under 200k. Probably under 100k as no one knows how many dead there really are.

Casualties are in 5 digits per Russian.

You factor in lost Russian HW and lots of it cannot ever be replaced and ROI to the west is probably 1000 to 1 dollar spent.

Russia will need 30-40 years to recover.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/07/how-much-aid-has-the-u-s-sent-to-ukraine/70778581007/

30 to 40 years?

Russia will be in the middle of a demographic collapse in 30 to 40 years.

They will not be able to recover from that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

It is not nearly that high. One Russian KIA is under 200k. Probably under 100k as no one knows how many dead there really are.

Casualties are in 5 digits per Russian.

You factor in lost Russian HW and lots of it cannot ever be replaced and ROI to the west is probably 1000 to 1 dollar spent.

Russia will need 30-40 years to recover.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/07/how-much-aid-has-the-u-s-sent-to-ukraine/70778581007/

30 to 40 years?

Russia will be in the middle of a demographic collapse in 30 to 40 years.

They will not be able to recover from that.

It's already in th middle of a demographic collapse, at least for ethnic, ie: white, russians. That's why they are stealing Ukrainian kids. In 30 years all the remaining younger Russian women will be sold off to China and it will be left a land of nothing but bitter babushkas and alcoholics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

And this is why I get nervous. The US has been a day late and dollar short with regards to Ukraine’s struggle for years. For example why are we providing mothballed F-16s and not F-35? There is absolutely no reason the Danes or Dutch or Norwegians should operate F-35. These airframes have to go where they are needed. It’s sad and just needlessly adds to the suffering of Ukrainians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

And this is why I get nervous. The US has been a day late and dollar short with regards to Ukraine’s struggle for years. For example why are we providing mothballed F-16s and not F-35? There is absolutely no reason the Danes or Dutch or Norwegians should operate F-35. These airframes have to go where they are needed. It’s sad and just needlessly adds to the suffering of Ukrainians.

Its a catch-22. The old stuff is reliable and generally easy to use and maintain. The new stuff, generally not so much. F-35 availability is pretty low in peacetime with full NATO logistics. Give them to Ukraine with improvised everything and little training, and they won't really accomplish much. Maybe fly just far enough to crash in Russian held territory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

It is not nearly that high. One Russian KIA is under 200k. Probably under 100k as no one knows how many dead there really are.

Casualties are in 5 digits per Russian.

You factor in lost Russian HW and lots of it cannot ever be replaced and ROI to the west is probably 1000 to 1 dollar spent.

Russia will need 30-40 years to recover.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/07/how-much-aid-has-the-u-s-sent-to-ukraine/70778581007/

On which side of the balance sheet do Ukrainian casualties and damage is entered?

[Anonymous]

get entered?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

Yep, even the HIMARS are 1990s-vintage. It's old, to-be-decommissioned stock that we already paid for and which we needed to be rotating for newer equipment anyhow.

Yes. Exactly right.

Almost everything sent to Ukraine is old equipment that was due to be decommissioned regardless.

It's actually cheaper to send to Ukraine than to decommission.

Now we're talking about F-16s. That's a plane from 1976.

The return on investment has been outstanding. Russia is obviously a very weak country. We're sending some old-timey weapons to Ukraine and Russia is getting absolutely wrecked as a consequence.

Good stuff.

The greatest thing Russia ever did is invade Ukraine.

Dumbasses. NATO will take advantage of that as long as Russian soldiers are in Ukraine.

LOL you're soo goood at amplifying the Kremlin propaganda: the West is only in this war to hurt Russia, not help Ukraine. They don't care about Ukraine. You're the best unwitting helper Solovyov & Co. ever had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

And this is why I get nervous. The US has been a day late and dollar short with regards to Ukraine’s struggle for years. For example why are we providing mothballed F-16s and not F-35? There is absolutely no reason the Danes or Dutch or Norwegians should operate F-35. These airframes have to go where they are needed. It’s sad and just needlessly adds to the suffering of Ukrainians.

Its a catch-22. The old stuff is reliable and generally easy to use and maintain. The new stuff, generally not so much. F-35 availability is pretty low in peacetime with full NATO logistics. Give them to Ukraine with improvised everything and little training, and they won't really accomplish much. Maybe fly just far enough to crash in Russian held territory.

Contractors are maintaining the equipment. The Ukrainians aren’t going to accomplish anything with previous generation hardware. We continue to screw these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

Yep, even the HIMARS are 1990s-vintage. It's old, to-be-decommissioned stock that we already paid for and which we needed to be rotating for newer equipment anyhow.

Yes. Exactly right.

Almost everything sent to Ukraine is old equipment that was due to be decommissioned regardless.

It's actually cheaper to send to Ukraine than to decommission.

Now we're talking about F-16s. That's a plane from 1976.

The return on investment has been outstanding. Russia is obviously a very weak country. We're sending some old-timey weapons to Ukraine and Russia is getting absolutely wrecked as a consequence.

Good stuff.

The greatest thing Russia ever did is invade Ukraine.

Dumbasses. NATO will take advantage of that as long as Russian soldiers are in Ukraine.

LOL you're soo goood at amplifying the Kremlin propaganda: the West is only in this war to hurt Russia, not help Ukraine. They don't care about Ukraine. You're the best unwitting helper Solovyov & Co. ever had.

Dp-
Sweetie, it can be both. 😘

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

It is not nearly that high. One Russian KIA is under 200k. Probably under 100k as no one knows how many dead there really are.

Casualties are in 5 digits per Russian.

You factor in lost Russian HW and lots of it cannot ever be replaced and ROI to the west is probably 1000 to 1 dollar spent.

Russia will need 30-40 years to recover.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/07/how-much-aid-has-the-u-s-sent-to-ukraine/70778581007/

On which side of the balance sheet do Ukrainian casualties and damage is entered?

The side of having a free country from Russian criminal invaders; rapists, child kidnappers and murderers.

Basically the good side of the balance sheet; where russians are on the evil/spawns from hell side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

And this is why I get nervous. The US has been a day late and dollar short with regards to Ukraine’s struggle for years. For example why are we providing mothballed F-16s and not F-35? There is absolutely no reason the Danes or Dutch or Norwegians should operate F-35. These airframes have to go where they are needed. It’s sad and just needlessly adds to the suffering of Ukrainians.

We do not have to give them f-35 or f-16. Aircraft will be take down by drones and a missiles. The air space over the battlefield is contested and will remain so. Russian aircraft do not enter the battle space. It’s a drone war. We should supply them with modern drones and long range ground to ground missiles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter,"
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.

Just one more push with a big aid package boys! Lockheed needs you!

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill. $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware. And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain. Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment. it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.

And this is why I get nervous. The US has been a day late and dollar short with regards to Ukraine’s struggle for years. For example why are we providing mothballed F-16s and not F-35? There is absolutely no reason the Danes or Dutch or Norwegians should operate F-35. These airframes have to go where they are needed. It’s sad and just needlessly adds to the suffering of Ukrainians.

Its a catch-22. The old stuff is reliable and generally easy to use and maintain. The new stuff, generally not so much. F-35 availability is pretty low in peacetime with full NATO logistics. Give them to Ukraine with improvised everything and little training, and they won't really accomplish much. Maybe fly just far enough to crash in Russian held territory.

Contractors are maintaining the equipment. The Ukrainians aren’t going to accomplish anything with previous generation hardware. We continue to screw these people.

Dude, there is zero chance any F-35 is going to a thoroughly corrupt, technologically backward, broke-ass country like Ukraine. Singapore is just getting to the point where they may get theirs. Give it up. And it won't make a difference anyway. Maybe in 25 years.