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Romania finally admits that a Russian drone landed on their territory. Face-saving announcement says" Russian drone parts".

Obviously article 5 won't be triggered for this, but... it's always nice to see modern technology defeat some politicians' reflex to lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

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A better question is why Ukraine is so keen for a NATO country to claim they’ve been attacked by Russia.  [/quote]

Russia has been using S-300's (air defense missiles) as artillery for several months now, so not news.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official

"We are not seeing strong preparations for winter," 
“Perhaps because their logistics are complicated. They barely have time to meet their current needs for ammunition, protective equipment, and to bring in some new units to replace damaged or destroyed ones. That is why we have not seen such a massive procurement of winterization supplies.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-military-notes-absence-substantial-115500617.html

This is an interesting observation.  [/quote]

Just one more push with a big aid package boys!  Lockheed needs you![/quote]

If you do the math on 113b the US has given ukriane and assume 120k dead Russians so far that is about 1m per kill.  $340k per casualty at 300k Russians killed or wounded.

That does not include lost hardware.  And obviously the US is paying Ukrainian government salaries and a bunch of other stuff.

Still a total bargain.  Would like to see higher Russian death rates & casualties - but maybe estimates are low or Ukraine can cause more damage inside of Russia to get better ROI.[/quote]

most of our aid has been used hand me downs and soon to be decommissioned equipment.  it has a value for accounting reasons but isn't new spending.[/quote]
And this is why I get nervous.  The US has been a day late and dollar short with regards to Ukraine’s struggle for years.  For example why are we providing mothballed F-16s and not F-35?  There is absolutely no reason the Danes or Dutch or Norwegians should operate F-35.  These airframes have to go where they are needed.  It’s sad and just needlessly adds to the suffering of Ukrainians.[/quote]

Its a catch-22. The old stuff is reliable and generally easy to use and maintain. The new stuff, generally not so much. F-35 availability is pretty low in peacetime with full NATO logistics. Give them to Ukraine with improvised everything and little training, and they won't really accomplish much. Maybe fly just far enough to crash in Russian held territory. [/quote]
Contractors are maintaining the equipment.  The Ukrainians aren’t going to accomplish anything with previous generation hardware.  We continue to screw these people.[/quote]

Dude, there is zero chance any F-35 is going to a thoroughly corrupt, technologically backward, broke-ass country like Ukraine. Singapore is just getting to the point where they may get theirs. Give it up. And it won't make a difference anyway. Maybe in 25 years.[/quote]

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