Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

That's not true on the boys side for any sport. No clue about girls.

It’s true for both groups. Nobody gets recruited from high school except for football and T&F.

"Serious athletes" play HS basketball, soccer (even break the MLS rules to play on their hs teams!), volleyball, lacrosse, swim, etc etc etc.

Not sure what you are smoking or what your point is.

+1 And, few will play D1. Some will, but most will not. Club or high school alumni.

That said, sports is great for the kids. It is not all about being recruited. If that is the goal, prepare for disappointment.

Most of us want our kids in sports to set them up with a lifetime of healthy habits, no different than trying to get your kids in honors or AAP classes with a peer group focused on good habits. It is a shame that the class sizes are so large here that most will have to go outside their school in order to play on a team and develop those habits. Many families won't be willing or able to put in the extra time and effort that travel or club sports require. Rec sports with once a week practice and kids who barely know how to play, or goof off all practice because there are no repercussions on playing time, just don't cut it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

The homes moved in Scenario 2 along Ashevale Dr are the ones I was thinking about. I can see your argument for the additional homes moved in the other scenarios.

I THINK that part of Ashvale is Franklin Glen. Franklin Glen kids go to Lee's Corner. Franklin Glen was built prior to the Fairfax County Parkway which divides them from the rest of Franklin Glen. Part of Ashvale is not Franklin Glen. I think that part was built later. People in the area have been asking the question for years about why the kids don't go to the same school. It is a dead end and makes no sense at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

Oakton is already at 103% capacity and has plenty of high SES areas. The ones they are taking aren't really any better off than the school average. They'll be just fine without them, and be less crowded.

It is not at 103% you are wrong.

Select the "Existing Conditions" scenario on the boundary tool and then select the Oakton boundary and you will see the 103%.

RIO site has it at 98%

NO WAY! The people who want to stay at Oakton are lying about the capacity?? WHAT???

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

The homes moved in Scenario 2 along Ashevale Dr are the ones I was thinking about. I can see your argument for the additional homes moved in the other scenarios.

I THINK that part of Ashvale is Franklin Glen. Franklin Glen kids go to Lee's Corner. Franklin Glen was built prior to the Fairfax County Parkway which divides them from the rest of Franklin Glen. Part of Ashvale is not Franklin Glen. I think that part was built later. People in the area have been asking the question for years about why the kids don't go to the same school. It is a dead end and makes no sense at all.

Welp, in scenarios 1 and 3, they send everyone off Tuckaway Dr between the parkway and Franklin Farm Rd to Lees Corner/Franklin/Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

The homes moved in Scenario 2 along Ashevale Dr are the ones I was thinking about. I can see your argument for the additional homes moved in the other scenarios.

I THINK that part of Ashvale is Franklin Glen. Franklin Glen kids go to Lee's Corner. Franklin Glen was built prior to the Fairfax County Parkway which divides them from the rest of Franklin Glen. Part of Ashvale is not Franklin Glen. I think that part was built later. People in the area have been asking the question for years about why the kids don't go to the same school. It is a dead end and makes no sense at all.

Kids on that street don't go to Lee's Corner because 30 years ago someone with political connections wanted their kids to go to Crossfield. These people are long gone but the neighborhood is still divided.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

The homes moved in Scenario 2 along Ashevale Dr are the ones I was thinking about. I can see your argument for the additional homes moved in the other scenarios.

I THINK that part of Ashvale is Franklin Glen. Franklin Glen kids go to Lee's Corner. Franklin Glen was built prior to the Fairfax County Parkway which divides them from the rest of Franklin Glen. Part of Ashvale is not Franklin Glen. I think that part was built later. People in the area have been asking the question for years about why the kids don't go to the same school. It is a dead end and makes no sense at all.

Welp, in scenarios 1 and 3, they send everyone off Tuckaway Dr between the parkway and Franklin Farm Rd to Lees Corner/Franklin/Westfield.

Yes, that particular change is extremely weird. If that part of Franklin Farm is going to be different than the rest of the neighborhood, why dont they go to Navy? Tuckaway connects to Thompson Road, which is where Navy is.

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

They are even closer to SL, however it is an IB school and many parents don't like that.

South Lakes would be a much more desirable school without IB and if they fix the problem kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

They are even closer to SL, however it is an IB school and many parents don't like that.

South Lakes would be a much more desirable school without IB and if they fix the problem kids.

If they could fix problem kids all schools would be desirable even Herndon. That's the problem, not "minorities."

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

They are even closer to SL, however it is an IB school and many parents don't like that.

South Lakes would be a much more desirable school without IB and if they fix the problem kids.

problem kids? Problem parents/families too?

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

They are even closer to SL, however it is an IB school and many parents don't like that.

South Lakes would be a much more desirable school without IB and if they fix the problem kids.

Let us bring AP to South Lakes.

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I was on Zoom.

Did Robyn Lady just say none of the three scenarios would come back?

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Anonymous wrote:I was on Zoom.

Did Robyn Lady just say none of the three scenarios would come back?

She said she wouldn't support a scenario that turns walkers into bus riders. She also said that she spoke to Dr. Reid specifically about Lees Corner.

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Question: does Reid have any idea how unhappy the community is? I'm in an area almost certain to be there, and I am ticked off at how this has been handled. The confusion and uncertainty has turned this to chaos.

Everything. The push for a magnet when a traditional high school is wanted and needed. The delay in declaring the boundary when everyone is left wondering. Some continuing to push negative vibes and others who may not be in the school hoping they will be. The naming--leaving out the option of choosing a very popular name that was chosen by the community some years ago.
But, of course, the worst is leaving students and families in limbo for so long.

Is Reid even aware of how people and kids feel?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

The homes moved in Scenario 2 along Ashevale Dr are the ones I was thinking about. I can see your argument for the additional homes moved in the other scenarios.

I THINK that part of Ashvale is Franklin Glen. Franklin Glen kids go to Lee's Corner. Franklin Glen was built prior to the Fairfax County Parkway which divides them from the rest of Franklin Glen. Part of Ashvale is not Franklin Glen. I think that part was built later. People in the area have been asking the question for years about why the kids don't go to the same school. It is a dead end and makes no sense at all.

Welp, in scenarios 1 and 3, they send everyone off Tuckaway Dr between the parkway and Franklin Farm Rd to Lees Corner/Franklin/Westfield.

Yes, that particular change is extremely weird. If that part of Franklin Farm is going to be different than the rest of the neighborhood, why dont they go to Navy? Tuckaway connects to Thompson Road, which is where Navy is.

I have always thought that was the better way to get rid of the Navy island, especially since a chunk of the kids end up at Navy for AAP anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

That's not true on the boys side for any sport. No clue about girls.

It’s true for both groups. Nobody gets recruited from high school except for football and T&F.

"Serious athletes" play HS basketball, soccer (even break the MLS rules to play on their hs teams!), volleyball, lacrosse, swim, etc etc etc.

Not sure what you are smoking or what your point is.

+1 And, few will play D1. Some will, but most will not. Club or high school alumni.

That said, sports is great for the kids. It is not all about being recruited. If that is the goal, prepare for disappointment.

Most of us want our kids in sports to set them up with a lifetime of healthy habits, no different than trying to get your kids in honors or AAP classes with a peer group focused on good habits. It is a shame that the class sizes are so large here that most will have to go outside their school in order to play on a team and develop those habits. Many families won't be willing or able to put in the extra time and effort that travel or club sports require. Rec sports with once a week practice and kids who barely know how to play, or goof off all practice because there are no repercussions on playing time, just don't cut it.

Skyview will have sports but just not the first year. It’s temporary. The problem will be solved by year 2. You don’t disrupt thousand of kids and move them from familiar schools for freaking sports. Those who live closest to Skyview should go there period. Quit using the sports excuse.