Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

They are even closer to SL, however it is an IB school and many parents don't like that.

You can transfer to another school for an AP curriculum. If sports is all RIO wanted, SLHS is actually better at most of the sports anyways.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

Maybe we should all put the comment on the maps

I do think Lees Corner families should post about Crossfield - whether it's send Crossfield to Skyview or send Crossfield to backfill South Lakes - as much as possible.

No one likes crossfield. They are the self absorbed and entitled RIO people.

Crossfield isn't one person. For that matter Rooted In Oakton isn't one person. There is a lot of misinformation on here. Some sounds like ill-informed assumptions, some comes off like more outright lies by someone very unhappy and disgruntled. The fact that parents (not just mothers, btw) advocated for their children to remain in their current boundary when the first set of maps blindsided them doesn't mean that they "threw anyone else under the bus." The conspiracy theories on here are insane. Recall that initially, Reid wanted to force moves of current 9th graders who had just started at their current schools. That lit a fire under many people and fortunately FCPS quickly came back with a phased approach. This new set of maps somehow seems to be even worse. Some shuffling of MS to improve alignment was to be expected. The massive ES shifts defy logic. I think we can all agree that these consultants did an awful job and their own presentation illustrates their failure to incorporate some of the central tenants of the boundary process. Instead of spending your time on here bashing other people with different opinions and priorities, start reaching out to the school board. If you've paid any attention these last few months, you've seen that there's a solid block on the SB that fails to prepare, doesn't engage meaningfully, consistently fawns over Reid and then votes together to put her whims above what the community wants.

DP. So two things: 1) No one who is fighting the potential Oakton-to-Skyview move can say with a straight face that they were blindsided by being included in that initial set of maps. Anyone with half a brain could look at a map and see that homes that are much closer to Skyview than Oakton would be candidates for possibly being moved.

Your statement is informed by month's worth of additional info becoming available. Back in October, when communication was sparse, it had been stated that WHS would focus on "overcrowded" high schools - Centreville, Westfields, and Chantilly. Only at the first meeting, that was hastily scheduled, did maps show inclusion of South Lakes and Oakton boundaries.

2) When that Option E came out at the very same website that is being used now, Oakton people were urging others to comment on it and say it was a great option. That map was the first one showing Lees Corner being moved, and it was made as an additional option after the Oakton people had done a lot of protesting and possible lobbying behind closed doors. That timing is awfully suspect. Advocating for other people's kids to be moved so your own don't have to sure seems like throwing another community under the bus.

What I recall seeing (very briefly!) in Option E was alternate shifting that had more western areas being zoned to WHS. It may have been a better option for those wishing to stay at Oakton. Just like some communities or individuals will prefer different map options now. I'm not sure who is perpetuating the narrative the anything was done "behind closed doors." Impacted families/parents attended public meetings hosted by school board meetings and requested meetings with their school board representative to voice concerns. PTAs and PTOs at multiple schools hosted their school board reps in this timeframe (e.g., Oakhill, Fox Mill, Crossfield). These meetings were all open to anyone within the school community.

My opinion: The rollout of the first maps, concurrent with the comprehensive study was terrible. These new maps are terrible. The volume of modifications to ES boundaries is horrific. The county needs a consultant who actually knows (or learns) the communities AND reviews the feedback that has been/is being provided. FCPS is rushing an opening that impacts many students and families very directly. They should figure out a plan that considers renovation needs, smartly factors the existing facility's best use AND then plan a timeline to open.... not the other way around. Have they considered relocating Chantilly Academy programs? Have they looked at streamlining transportation w/ Carson and operating as a Secondary school pair? What is their real intent with renovations and capacity at Centreville? How does "filling" Skyview now impact students once the Rt 28 growth is realized? Will they make decisions about boundaries in concert with transportation, so that students aren't given the false choice of remaining at their current school per boundary policy? Let your school board member know what our community wants... a handful are doing the work, but several are asleep at the wheel.

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

That's not true on the boys side for any sport. No clue about girls.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

Maybe we should all put the comment on the maps

I do think Lees Corner families should post about Crossfield - whether it's send Crossfield to Skyview or send Crossfield to backfill South Lakes - as much as possible.

No one likes crossfield. They are the self absorbed and entitled RIO people.

Crossfield isn't one person. For that matter Rooted In Oakton isn't one person. There is a lot of misinformation on here. Some sounds like ill-informed assumptions, some comes off like more outright lies by someone very unhappy and disgruntled. The fact that parents (not just mothers, btw) advocated for their children to remain in their current boundary when the first set of maps blindsided them doesn't mean that they "threw anyone else under the bus." The conspiracy theories on here are insane. Recall that initially, Reid wanted to force moves of current 9th graders who had just started at their current schools. That lit a fire under many people and fortunately FCPS quickly came back with a phased approach. This new set of maps somehow seems to be even worse. Some shuffling of MS to improve alignment was to be expected. The massive ES shifts defy logic. I think we can all agree that these consultants did an awful job and their own presentation illustrates their failure to incorporate some of the central tenants of the boundary process. Instead of spending your time on here bashing other people with different opinions and priorities, start reaching out to the school board. If you've paid any attention these last few months, you've seen that there's a solid block on the SB that fails to prepare, doesn't engage meaningfully, consistently fawns over Reid and then votes together to put her whims above what the community wants.

DP. So two things: 1) No one who is fighting the potential Oakton-to-Skyview move can say with a straight face that they were blindsided by being included in that initial set of maps. Anyone with half a brain could look at a map and see that homes that are much closer to Skyview than Oakton would be candidates for possibly being moved.

Your statement is informed by month's worth of additional info becoming available. Back in October, when communication was sparse, it had been stated that WHS would focus on "overcrowded" high schools - Centreville, Westfields, and Chantilly. Only at the first meeting, that was hastily scheduled, did maps show inclusion of South Lakes and Oakton boundaries.

2) When that Option E came out at the very same website that is being used now, Oakton people were urging others to comment on it and say it was a great option. That map was the first one showing Lees Corner being moved, and it was made as an additional option after the Oakton people had done a lot of protesting and possible lobbying behind closed doors. That timing is awfully suspect. Advocating for other people's kids to be moved so your own don't have to sure seems like throwing another community under the bus.

What I recall seeing (very briefly!) in Option E was alternate shifting that had more western areas being zoned to WHS. It may have been a better option for those wishing to stay at Oakton. Just like some communities or individuals will prefer different map options now. I'm not sure who is perpetuating the narrative the anything was done "behind closed doors." Impacted families/parents attended public meetings hosted by school board meetings and requested meetings with their school board representative to voice concerns. PTAs and PTOs at multiple schools hosted their school board reps in this timeframe (e.g., Oakhill, Fox Mill, Crossfield). These meetings were all open to anyone within the school community.

My opinion: The rollout of the first maps, concurrent with the comprehensive study was terrible. These new maps are terrible. The volume of modifications to ES boundaries is horrific. The county needs a consultant who actually knows (or learns) the communities AND reviews the feedback that has been/is being provided. FCPS is rushing an opening that impacts many students and families very directly. They should figure out a plan that considers renovation needs, smartly factors the existing facility's best use AND then plan a timeline to open.... not the other way around. Have they considered relocating Chantilly Academy programs? Have they looked at streamlining transportation w/ Carson and operating as a Secondary school pair? What is their real intent with renovations and capacity at Centreville? How does "filling" Skyview now impact students once the Rt 28 growth is realized? Will they make decisions about boundaries in concert with transportation, so that students aren't given the false choice of remaining at their current school per boundary policy? Let your school board member know what our community wants... a handful are doing the work, but several are asleep at the wheel.

The purchase of this school gave them a golden opportunity to pause the Comprehensive Boundary Review. They chose, instead, to go forward and delay this.

Since the Comprehensive Boundary Review did include proximity as a factor, it certainly should have come as no surprise to Crossfield that they would be in the mix--especially since they currently attend Carson.

That added to the people desperate to stop the purchase --or at least to stop the traditional high school-- because of their dream of adding students to another school, really made a mess.
Add to that, a superintendent who has no clue about the community or the wishes of the community, but, instead wanted to establish some kind of astronaut camp at the school further confused everything.

Had they set the boundaries and encouraged opt-in, I think they would have succeeded in having 1000 students the first year. It might have been freshman heavy, and, perhaps, should have been only freshmen.

I was in the second graduating class of a new high school. They added one grade per year. You don't have all the traditions of an existing high school, but we had great teachers and an excitement of attending a brand new school.
The football team was not very good, but we had a couple of standouts, including one who played D1 college and went on to win two Super Bowls as a starter and play in a third. So, there are opportunities for sports even in a new school.

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That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

Oakton is already at 103% capacity and has plenty of high SES areas. The ones they are taking aren't really any better off than the school average. They'll be just fine without them, and be less crowded.

It is not at 103% you are wrong.

Select the "Existing Conditions" scenario on the boundary tool and then select the Oakton boundary and you will see the 103%.

RIO site has it at 98%

The FCPS CIP shows the county's date for both the current school year (25-26) and future planning year (29-30). Oakton HS is shown at 103% for the current year, and then dropping to 98% for SY29-30, the first year that Skyview is planned to be operating with all four grades, 9-12.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Adopted-Capital-Improvement-Program-FY-2027-31.pdf

That number for SY29-30 doesn't include kids from a ton of housing developments coming online before 2030 only because they haven't physically broken ground yet. I count well over 2000 housing units from just the redevelopments at Redwood Plaza, Flint Hill Office Park 1, 3, & 4, Fair Oaks Business Park, Fairfax Ridge, the old AT&T headquarters site, and the ICF International site.

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

That's not true on the boys side for any sport. No clue about girls.

It’s true for both groups. Nobody gets recruited from high school except for football and T&F.

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

No. Carson is too big to feed to
skyview. It has to be a split feeder.

But if you look at the maps, Skyview boundary appears to be bigger than the Carson boundary under Scenario 2.

Is scenario 2 where part of Dogwood goes to Carson? It appears that scenario 3 middle school should be with scenario 2 high school. Is this an error by the consultant?

First they send a bunch of Dogwood kids to Hunters Mill. Then they turn both Dogwood and Hunters Mill into imbalanced split feeders between Hughes and Carson. Then they send them all to South Lakes anyway.

Scenario 1 and 3 also tweak the boundaries between Forest Edge and Sunrise Valley, which seems really inappropriate. The comprehensive boundary review is over. They need to be focusing on the areas actually impacted by the new high school.

Do you mean Hunters Woods? Both of those neighborhoods are SFH and have very few kids who actually go to Dogwood for elementary. They are either private or place into FMES or Hunters Woods.

FCPS still has one of the last professional inhouse maps /studies online. Coates boundary study SPAs. Whether students transfer out for immersion or get a transportation included trip to Hunters Woods magnet or an AAP center, you get the inboundary number k_6 . That Dogwood to Carson SPA 1633 was 40 students. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Forest Edge SPA counts are not on the map but you see the direct non m,ajor road running through a development to Langley 1809 and 1806.

Fox Mill: 2611 to Dogwood, 2523 + 2521 to Crossfield? This is just so sloppy. Glad others also noticed the map match for HS scenario 2 and MS scenario 3.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

That's not true on the boys side for any sport. No clue about girls.

It’s true for both groups. Nobody gets recruited from high school except for football and T&F.

"Serious athletes" play HS basketball, soccer (even break the MLS rules to play on their hs teams!), volleyball, lacrosse, swim, etc etc etc.

Not sure what you are smoking or what your point is.

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

No. Carson is too big to feed to
skyview. It has to be a split feeder.

But if you look at the maps, Skyview boundary appears to be bigger than the Carson boundary under Scenario 2.

Is scenario 2 where part of Dogwood goes to Carson? It appears that scenario 3 middle school should be with scenario 2 high school. Is this an error by the consultant?

First they send a bunch of Dogwood kids to Hunters Mill. Then they turn both Dogwood and Hunters Mill into imbalanced split feeders between Hughes and Carson. Then they send them all to South Lakes anyway.

Scenario 1 and 3 also tweak the boundaries between Forest Edge and Sunrise Valley, which seems really inappropriate. The comprehensive boundary review is over. They need to be focusing on the areas actually impacted by the new high school.

Do you mean Hunters Woods? Both of those neighborhoods are SFH and have very few kids who actually go to Dogwood for elementary. They are either private or place into FMES or Hunters Woods.

FCPS still has one of the last professional inhouse maps /studies online. Coates boundary study SPAs. Whether students transfer out for immersion or get a transportation included trip to Hunters Woods magnet or an AAP center, you get the inboundary number k_6 . That Dogwood to Carson SPA 1633 was 40 students. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Forest Edge SPA counts are not on the map but you see the direct non m,ajor road running through a development to Langley 1809 and 1806.

Fox Mill: 2611 to Dogwood, 2523 + 2521 to Crossfield? This is just so sloppy. Glad others also noticed the map match for HS scenario 2 and MS scenario 3.

I’m not sure you’re reading the Coates study correctly. Or I’m confused by how you’re interpreting it. The SPAs show the number of K-6 aged children their algorithm thinks likely live in that footprint. So they estimate 40 kids live in that block.

Also scenario 2 HS and scenario 3 MS do not match. It’s closer than scenario 2’s MS map, but there are still fringes along the Franklin/Carson border that don’t match, and some non sensical Rocky Run/Stone alignments too.

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Anonymous wrote:"Only" 90 kids competing for 30 spots, northern va is so ridiculously competitive for everything.

With the exception of football and T&F, most serious athletes are playing for club.

That's not true on the boys side for any sport. No clue about girls.

It’s true for both groups. Nobody gets recruited from high school except for football and T&F.

"Serious athletes" play HS basketball, soccer (even break the MLS rules to play on their hs teams!), volleyball, lacrosse, swim, etc etc etc.

Not sure what you are smoking or what your point is.

+1 And, few will play D1. Some will, but most will not. Club or high school alumni.

That said, sports is great for the kids. It is not all about being recruited. If that is the goal, prepare for disappointment.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should send the whiny crossfield people to fill up westfield.

Yes! Send RIOs to Westfield!

The Lees Corner proposals actually carve out pieces of Oak Hill, Crossfield, and Navy that they send to Lees Corner first. Then that is sent to Westfield, so families from those schools are impacted too.

No Navy family is being sent to Westfield.

Scenarios 1 and 3. There are, like, 40 houses near the intersection of Thompson Rd and Oxen Rd that are being reassigned from Navy to Westfield.

Those houses should have been at Lees Corner all along.

Thompson Road and Oxon Road are literally just down the street from Navy. Why should they have been at Lees Corner all along?

The homes moved in Scenario 2 along Ashevale Dr are the ones I was thinking about. I can see your argument for the additional homes moved in the other scenarios.

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised they had any ES level changes.

And none of them logical as far as i can tell!

Navy to Chantilly makes sense. Que the meltdown....

It actually does. All the Navy families are much closer to Chantilly than Oakton. But most of the Navy Oakton Moms want to stay at Oakton. I don’t blame them. Who wants to be ripped out of their familiar high school?

There are plenty of Navy parents, mostly of younger kids, who would actually like to be zoned to Skyview. If a bunch of Navy kids were there, they would be with friends. I think they would be fine with Chantilly too. It's the parents of upper elementary and middle school who are so attached to Oakton.

Same at Crossfield. I haven't talked to a single person who wants to stay at Oakton. My kids are in K and 2nd.