Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

LOL! My rising Chantilly boy was similarly disappointed. We thought some of the competition at Chantilly would go to Skyview teams and make the boys soccer team a little less absurd to get onto. Disappointing!

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

LOL! My rising Chantilly boy was similarly disappointed. We thought some of the competition at Chantilly would go to Skyview teams and make the boys soccer team a little less absurd to get onto. Disappointing!

And I can't help but think that the buses being used to take the Skyview students to their base schools for sports practice are the reason my non-athlete can't get a direct bus for the three-mile ride home.

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

LOL! My rising Chantilly boy was similarly disappointed. We thought some of the competition at Chantilly would go to Skyview teams and make the boys soccer team a little less absurd to get onto. Disappointing!

And I can't help but think that the buses being used to take the Skyview students to their base schools for sports practice are the reason my non-athlete can't get a direct bus for the three-mile ride home.

I thought they will have intramural thr first year and vhsl the following barring football

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

LOL! My rising Chantilly boy was similarly disappointed. We thought some of the competition at Chantilly would go to Skyview teams and make the boys soccer team a little less absurd to get onto. Disappointing!

And I can't help but think that the buses being used to take the Skyview students to their base schools for sports practice are the reason my non-athlete can't get a direct bus for the three-mile ride home.

Honestly, this plan doesn't make sense to me at all. Is the plan for the kids be bused from Skyview to Base School, and then back to Base School after the practice? My boys played basketball and practices were at all different times and usually NOT right after school. Not only that, but often the practice times changed mid-day and were communicated only via group text. If you have your phone off as required, you don't know until after the bell that your 5:30 pm practice was just switched to 3:00 pm. Or your 3:00 pm is now 7:30 pm. Sometimes they lost gym use that day and the practice was suddenly moved to a nearby middle school.

For away games, the freshman and JV buses had to leave RIGHT after the bell to get to the opposing gym, change and warm up for a 4:30 pm game. There simply would not be time to wait for a bus to come from another school, drop off a player, and wait for that player. And then, would a bus be waiting at Base School after the game to take the one player back to Skyview?

I think many coaches will opt out of taking Skyview kids on to their teams, just to avoid the time/hassle factor. At least on the boys side, because there is always another player who attends the base school to choose instead who is just as good.

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

LOL! My rising Chantilly boy was similarly disappointed. We thought some of the competition at Chantilly would go to Skyview teams and make the boys soccer team a little less absurd to get onto. Disappointing!

And I can't help but think that the buses being used to take the Skyview students to their base schools for sports practice are the reason my non-athlete can't get a direct bus for the three-mile ride home.

I thought they will have intramural thr first year and vhsl the following barring football

They are saying the kids who go to Skyview can try out for teams at their assigned schools for the first year. There are a ridiculous number of logistical problems with that.

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

LOL! My rising Chantilly boy was similarly disappointed. We thought some of the competition at Chantilly would go to Skyview teams and make the boys soccer team a little less absurd to get onto. Disappointing!

And I can't help but think that the buses being used to take the Skyview students to their base schools for sports practice are the reason my non-athlete can't get a direct bus for the three-mile ride home.

Honestly, this plan doesn't make sense to me at all. Is the plan for the kids be bused from Skyview to Base School, and then back to Base School after the practice? My boys played basketball and practices were at all different times and usually NOT right after school. Not only that, but often the practice times changed mid-day and were communicated only via group text. If you have your phone off as required, you don't know until after the bell that your 5:30 pm practice was just switched to 3:00 pm. Or your 3:00 pm is now 7:30 pm. Sometimes they lost gym use that day and the practice was suddenly moved to a nearby middle school.

For away games, the freshman and JV buses had to leave RIGHT after the bell to get to the opposing gym, change and warm up for a 4:30 pm game. There simply would not be time to wait for a bus to come from another school, drop off a player, and wait for that player. And then, would a bus be waiting at Base School after the game to take the one player back to Skyview?

I think many coaches will opt out of taking Skyview kids on to their teams, just to avoid the time/hassle factor. At least on the boys side, because there is always another player who attends the base school to choose instead who is just as good.

They should have just admitted that its nearly impossible to do HS sports without parent transportation and told the Skyview kids they could try out for teams but had to have parent transportation to the base schools for practice and games.

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That was our experience with HS sports as well. Very frequently changing schedules communicated last minute. Understandable when many teams are sharing one gym or field between practices and games, but there was absolutely no way for the kids to rely on FCPS transportation to get back and forth to practices or home after games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That was our experience with HS sports as well. Very frequently changing schedules communicated last minute. Understandable when many teams are sharing one gym or field between practices and games, but there was absolutely no way for the kids to rely on FCPS transportation to get back and forth to practices or home after games.

Definitely not. I think there is a late bus on Wed around 5 or so.

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

Hughes can take care of Fox Mill instead.

Hughes is full. That's why Fox Mill to Hughes was not proposed even in Scenario 1.

I think the mix of the Scenarios 2 and 3 would be the best:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview

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Skyview students will be dismissed early, around 2:30, in order to get to their base school for sports or bussing home.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

Oakton is already at 103% capacity and has plenty of high SES areas. The ones they are taking aren't really any better off than the school average. They'll be just fine without them, and be less crowded.

It is not at 103% you are wrong.

Select the "Existing Conditions" scenario on the boundary tool and then select the Oakton boundary and you will see the 103%.

RIO site has it at 98%

The FCPS CIP shows the county's date for both the current school year (25-26) and future planning year (29-30). Oakton HS is shown at 103% for the current year, and then dropping to 98% for SY29-30, the first year that Skyview is planned to be operating with all four grades, 9-12.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Adopted-Capital-Improvement-Program-FY-2027-31.pdf

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Man these maps show how terribly FCPS has managed the Coates overcrowding issue. By moving the Coates kids to Floris they have pretty much put Floris at capacity and now are shifting Floris kids to Fox Mill. Why wasn’t this dealt with during the earlier boundary review?

I highly doubt they’ll move the walkers from Fox Mill, its not at capacity even with Floris kids added so that move doesn’t make any sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

+10000

Agree with this sentiment... but if FCPS' plan is to have 2000 at Skyview when it joins VHSL it's not necessarily going to be easier to make a team, is it?
I think there's a narrative being spread about parents & sports - most of what I have heard is concern about sports & band being available, not being ultra competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:That was our experience with HS sports as well. Very frequently changing schedules communicated last minute. Understandable when many teams are sharing one gym or field between practices and games, but there was absolutely no way for the kids to rely on FCPS transportation to get back and forth to practices or home after games.

Definitely not. I think there is a late bus on Wed around 5 or so.

Weirdly, MS has late bus M-TH and HS offers one only on W.

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

+10000

Agree with this sentiment... but if FCPS' plan is to have 2000 at Skyview when it joins VHSL it's not necessarily going to be easier to make a team, is it?
I think there's a narrative being spread about parents & sports - most of what I have heard is concern about sports & band being available, not being ultra competitive.

Of course it is! Its much easier to make the sports teams at schools with only 2000 students vs. a place like Westfield or Chantilly with almost 3000. Its the difference between 150 boys trying out for soccer vs. only 90 or so. Huge difference.