Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

No. Carson is too big to feed to
skyview. It has to be a split feeder.

But if you look at the maps, Skyview boundary appears to be bigger than the Carson boundary under Scenario 2.

Is scenario 2 where part of Dogwood goes to Carson? It appears that scenario 3 middle school should be with scenario 2 high school. Is this an error by the consultant?

First they send a bunch of Dogwood kids to Hunters Mill. Then they turn both Dogwood and Hunters Mill into imbalanced split feeders between Hughes and Carson. Then they send them all to South Lakes anyway.

Scenario 1 and 3 also tweak the boundaries between Forest Edge and Sunrise Valley, which seems really inappropriate. The comprehensive boundary review is over. They need to be focusing on the areas actually impacted by the new high school.

Do you mean Hunters Woods? Both of those neighborhoods are SFH and have very few kids who actually go to Dogwood for elementary. They are either private or place into FMES or Hunters Woods.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

Oakton is already at 103% capacity and has plenty of high SES areas. The ones they are taking aren't really any better off than the school average. They'll be just fine without them, and be less crowded.

It is not at 103% you are wrong.

Select the "Existing Conditions" scenario on the boundary tool and then select the Oakton boundary and you will see the 103%.

RIO site has it at 98%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

No. Carson is too big to feed to
skyview. It has to be a split feeder.

But if you look at the maps, Skyview boundary appears to be bigger than the Carson boundary under Scenario 2.

Is scenario 2 where part of Dogwood goes to Carson? It appears that scenario 3 middle school should be with scenario 2 high school. Is this an error by the consultant?

First they send a bunch of Dogwood kids to Hunters Mill. Then they turn both Dogwood and Hunters Mill into imbalanced split feeders between Hughes and Carson. Then they send them all to South Lakes anyway.

Scenario 1 and 3 also tweak the boundaries between Forest Edge and Sunrise Valley, which seems really inappropriate. The comprehensive boundary review is over. They need to be focusing on the areas actually impacted by the new high school.

Do you mean Hunters Woods? Both of those neighborhoods are SFH and have very few kids who actually go to Dogwood for elementary. They are either private or place into FMES or Hunters Woods.

Sorry, Hunters Woods. Scenario 2 still turns those schools into split feeders by sending some students to Carson only to keep them at South Lakes HS. It seems disruptive and unnecessary, given Hughes isn’t over capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

No. Carson is too big to feed to
skyview. It has to be a split feeder.

But if you look at the maps, Skyview boundary appears to be bigger than the Carson boundary under Scenario 2.

Is scenario 2 where part of Dogwood goes to Carson? It appears that scenario 3 middle school should be with scenario 2 high school. Is this an error by the consultant?

First they send a bunch of Dogwood kids to Hunters Mill. Then they turn both Dogwood and Hunters Mill into imbalanced split feeders between Hughes and Carson. Then they send them all to South Lakes anyway.

Scenario 1 and 3 also tweak the boundaries between Forest Edge and Sunrise Valley, which seems really inappropriate. The comprehensive boundary review is over. They need to be focusing on the areas actually impacted by the new high school.

Do you mean Hunters Woods? Both of those neighborhoods are SFH and have very few kids who actually go to Dogwood for elementary. They are either private or place into FMES or Hunters Woods.

Probably they are trying to balance the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

Oakton is already at 103% capacity and has plenty of high SES areas. The ones they are taking aren't really any better off than the school average. They'll be just fine without them, and be less crowded.

It is not at 103% you are wrong.

Select the "Existing Conditions" scenario on the boundary tool and then select the Oakton boundary and you will see the 103%.

RIO site has it at 98%

Alternative "facts". Who are the people behind RIO? Crossfield parents in Franklin farms?

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?

That's a really small HS for FCPS, especially compared to the other Concorde District schools.

Scenarios 2 and 3 both are trying to do the same thing to South Lakes. Both reduce it to 1800-ish kids. It won't be able to compete in the Concorde District against the other larger schools. Add in the fact that they are taking away the higher SES areas and they won't be able to compete academically either.

The same is happening to Oakton in scenario 3. They are taking away high SES schools and Oakton enrollment will fall significantly.

Oakton is already at 103% capacity and has plenty of high SES areas. The ones they are taking aren't really any better off than the school average. They'll be just fine without them, and be less crowded.

It is not at 103% you are wrong.

Select the "Existing Conditions" scenario on the boundary tool and then select the Oakton boundary and you will see the 103%.

RIO site has it at 98%

That’s the 2024-25 enrollment numbers. There was an unexpected spike for the 2025-26 school year.

[Anonymous]

If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

They are even closer to SL, however it is an IB school and many parents don't like that.

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

Yes! And, it is so much closer. Not only that, but Crossfield is already a split feeder to South Lakes. One RIO mom was complaining about the traffic to Skyview and said Oakton was just as close. (No matter that her child is currently at Carson?) FWIW, Skyview is closer than South Lakes to the Franklin Farm portion of Crossfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

Agree. It was disappointing to hear Skyview wouldn't have sports, because my kids were hoping it would be easier to make the Westfield teams next year and now none of the kids who should be playing on sports teams at Skyview are leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:Just fix the middle school boundaries for Scenario 2 and call it a day.

Make Carson and Skyview completely overlap each other and do the same for Hughes and SLHS.

It does seem like this would make the most people happy. Are the numbers workable, though?

No. Carson is too big to feed to
skyview. It has to be a split feeder.

But if you look at the maps, Skyview boundary appears to be bigger than the Carson boundary under Scenario 2.

Is scenario 2 where part of Dogwood goes to Carson? It appears that scenario 3 middle school should be with scenario 2 high school. Is this an error by the consultant?

First they send a bunch of Dogwood kids to Hunters Mill. Then they turn both Dogwood and Hunters Mill into imbalanced split feeders between Hughes and Carson. Then they send them all to South Lakes anyway.

Scenario 1 and 3 also tweak the boundaries between Forest Edge and Sunrise Valley, which seems really inappropriate. The comprehensive boundary review is over. They need to be focusing on the areas actually impacted by the new high school.

Do you mean Hunters Woods? Both of those neighborhoods are SFH and have very few kids who actually go to Dogwood for elementary. They are either private or place into FMES or Hunters Woods.

Probably they are trying to balance the schools.

I don’t think anyone knows why, this mice had nothing to do with Skyview. Moving the one Dogwood neighborhood to Hunters Woods was a good move as every kid in that neighborhood does the lottery for Hunters Woods and they’re very close so there really isn’t an impact to Dogwood. Dogwood is probably one of the poorest schools in FCPS so keeping their boundaries for the kids who need all of the additional support that comes with being at a title 1 school is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

Hughes can take care of Fox Mill instead.

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Anonymous wrote:If Fox Mill wants Skyview and the board wants to make sure South Lakes high school is taken care of, why isn’t Franklin Farm being considered for South Lakes? Wouldn’t that solve RIO’s sports problem?

Hughes can take care of Fox Mill instead.

No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:From a BTDT parent of graduating senior athlete, for the people crying about smaller schools not being competitive in sports:

You know what’s even better than being on a winning team?
Being on a team at all!
More and smaller high schools give more kids opportunities to participate.

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