What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:They were a very cute couple. Maybe that is making me biased, but they don't seem like murder-suicide types.

And what does a murder-suicide type look like?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t 911 actually work even in areas of no service? I guess I’m naive but I thought that 911 would often work in places where you can’t get “normal” service. You can also text 911….even if there isn’t service, isn’t there a chance the text would go through?

How would 911 work in an area with no cell service?

Pp. I guess I’m dumb but honestly thought that there was some way it could work even if a normal call wouldn’t work. If there’s truly zero service then no, but I thought in areas where there’s not enough service for a normal call but still SOME service, then I thought 911 got prioritized or something.

I guess it’s a good thing I don’t go out hiking in areas with no cell service

You aren’t crazy. A few years back most phones had switched to digital service but still had analog hardware which works over a wider range and likely would only be used by carrier for 911

I was also under the impression my entire adult life until a couple years ago that you could somehow make a 911 call even if you didn’t have service. Then I was in a situation where I needed to call 911 and, surprise, it didn’t work.

You’re probably confusing it with the fact that cell phones that don’t have an active/paid service plan can still call 911. But they still need a signal.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe 4 mammals simultaneously died of heat stroke. It’s not lightning. It’s a physical condition that develops on different timelines in different people (and dogs).

This. Even if the child/dog died at different times, the idea that both parents would be incapacitated/dead so close together is nearly impossible. They were experienced hikers only 1.5 miles from the trailhead. The least sick one would have gone for help with the baby and phone. I have hiked in the California desert many times and my partner and I had contingency plans for every possible emergency. Well, not poison gas or algae, but certainly heat, broken ankle, snakebite, etc.

There’s one theory I read that had the dad injured earlier in the hike at lower elevation. He stayed there with baby and dog (on a leash, so it wouldn’t follow the mom) while the mom went for help/tried to find cell-phone reception. She was gone long enough that he grew concerned and started after her. She collapsed before he could make it up to her position. He sat down to rest and was overcome by heat stroke. If the dog is leashed, it can’t go anywhere (and may have succumbed first, since dogs are more vulnerable than humans in the heat, by a lot) and, of course, the poor baby was helpless. You just have to keep in mind how disoriented people can get in that kind of heat with serious exertion.

But the mom didn't have the phone; he did.

We know from reports he had a phone; we do not know she didn’t. At least one subsequent report mentioned “phones” plural.

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

I think there was some kind of fast-acting poison in the canteen that the dad gave them all. Dad, suicidal, sat down with the baby and pup. Mom freaked out and ran…and, sadly, she soon succumbed.

https://people.com/human-interest/dad-of-man-who-mysteriously-died-alongside-wife-baby-and-dog-says-they-werent-murdered/

"We are mystified like everyone else. I don't want to say a great deal as there is a lot going on," John's father Peter told the Daily Mail. "We are just waiting for the authorities to do all the tests. We are in touch with them and are awaiting the final analysis."

"We don't believe they were murdered," Peter said. "We just want people to get on with the task at hand."

Oh now I’m fully convinced. It was murder suicide. The dads reaction says it all.

Maybe a suicide pact between the parents?

The articles all say that there was no suicide note found. But if it was poisoning, I’d have to imagine there would be vomiting or blood. The dad surely would not be found sitting upright. Poisoning deaths are usually violently convulsive. I’m not aware of a poison that allows you to die peacefully.

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

I think there was some kind of fast-acting poison in the canteen that the dad gave them all. Dad, suicidal, sat down with the baby and pup. Mom freaked out and ran…and, sadly, she soon succumbed.

https://people.com/human-interest/dad-of-man-who-mysteriously-died-alongside-wife-baby-and-dog-says-they-werent-murdered/

"We are mystified like everyone else. I don't want to say a great deal as there is a lot going on," John's father Peter told the Daily Mail. "We are just waiting for the authorities to do all the tests. We are in touch with them and are awaiting the final analysis."

"We don't believe they were murdered," Peter said. "We just want people to get on with the task at hand."

Oh now I’m fully convinced. It was murder suicide. The dads reaction says it all.

Yeah unfortunately I'm with you. That seems by far most likely.

Again, someone name a plausible poison that dad could use that would kill them all so quickly and effectively with no obvious signs

We don’t know that there were no signs though.

Wouldn’t ambien, xanax, Valium, etc work? Especially if they fell asleep in the sun.

It takes a massive amount of benzo to kill a dog. My 50 pound dog died of brain cancer a few years ago and the two days before we put him down I was giving him Valium out of my prescription. Standard dose in a human is like 5mg and he needed like 20 to even begin to calm down. Even to make them sleepy it would take A LOT. Ambien is no bueno for dogs and could have killed it but would have made it start acting weird and usually hyperactive and not sleepy. And probably vomit. Not lying down quietly next to it’s owner.

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I still think it was heatstroke.

https://www.healthing.ca/news/heat-wave-linked-to-massive-spike-in-sudden-deaths-in-b-c

I just hope that poor baby didn’t die all alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

I think there was some kind of fast-acting poison in the canteen that the dad gave them all. Dad, suicidal, sat down with the baby and pup. Mom freaked out and ran…and, sadly, she soon succumbed.

https://people.com/human-interest/dad-of-man-who-mysteriously-died-alongside-wife-baby-and-dog-says-they-werent-murdered/

"We are mystified like everyone else. I don't want to say a great deal as there is a lot going on," John's father Peter told the Daily Mail. "We are just waiting for the authorities to do all the tests. We are in touch with them and are awaiting the final analysis."

"We don't believe they were murdered," Peter said. "We just want people to get on with the task at hand."

Oh now I’m fully convinced. It was murder suicide. The dads reaction says it all.

Maybe a suicide pact between the parents?

The articles all say that there was no suicide note found. But if it was poisoning, I’d have to imagine there would be vomiting or blood. The dad surely would not be found sitting upright. Poisoning deaths are usually violently convulsive. I’m not aware of a poison that allows you to die peacefully.

Sleep medication?

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

I think there was some kind of fast-acting poison in the canteen that the dad gave them all. Dad, suicidal, sat down with the baby and pup. Mom freaked out and ran…and, sadly, she soon succumbed.

https://people.com/human-interest/dad-of-man-who-mysteriously-died-alongside-wife-baby-and-dog-says-they-werent-murdered/

"We are mystified like everyone else. I don't want to say a great deal as there is a lot going on," John's father Peter told the Daily Mail. "We are just waiting for the authorities to do all the tests. We are in touch with them and are awaiting the final analysis."

"We don't believe they were murdered," Peter said. "We just want people to get on with the task at hand."

Oh now I’m fully convinced. It was murder suicide. The dads reaction says it all.

It is a rather weird statement. He seems to know what happened.

I read it as the police have more details and an idea of what happened, but haven't released the details to the public yet. Maybe waiting on confirmation from toxicology reports.

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What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

I think there was some kind of fast-acting poison in the canteen that the dad gave them all. Dad, suicidal, sat down with the baby and pup. Mom freaked out and ran…and, sadly, she soon succumbed.

https://people.com/human-interest/dad-of-man-who-mysteriously-died-alongside-wife-baby-and-dog-says-they-werent-murdered/

"We are mystified like everyone else. I don't want to say a great deal as there is a lot going on," John's father Peter told the Daily Mail. "We are just waiting for the authorities to do all the tests. We are in touch with them and are awaiting the final analysis."

"We don't believe they were murdered," Peter said. "We just want people to get on with the task at hand."

Oh now I’m fully convinced. It was murder suicide. The dads reaction says it all.

It is a rather weird statement. He seems to know what happened.

Yes, it does sound like he knows or thinks he knows what happened. While the articles say there were no obvious injuries or snakebite marks, there's nothing about any signs of illness or vomiting or anything that might indicate the heat or a toxic gas or anything specific. That doesn't mean that evidence isn't there.

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It's like they knew the place, as "avid hikers," from the good season, but went back in a bad season to be there. No?

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

That’s not odd at all. The trailhead is close to their house.

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Avid hikers know spots where cells do and don't work too. I know where my cell works in Shenandoah.

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

That’s not odd at all. The trailhead is close to their house.

I have never, ever, on a 100 degree day gone for a hike in Shenandoah. Rather, that's a rafting day on a river. Who does that

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

That’s not odd at all. The trailhead is close to their house.

I have never, ever, on a 100 degree day gone for a hike in Shenandoah. Rather, that's a rafting day on a river. Who does that

A risk-taker family who loves heat. On their instagram page I counted no less than tree trips to deserts (Black Rock Desert, Gobi Desert, and the Mojave Desert) and of course her hiking tracking app had a desert/wilderness hike almost every weekend.