What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

That’s not odd at all. The trailhead is close to their house.

I have never, ever, on a 100 degree day gone for a hike in Shenandoah. Rather, that's a rafting day on a river. Who does that

I am acclimated to the DC heat and humidity and have run many miles in 100+ weather. Once even 18 miles in 108 degree weather. I have no idea if these folks were acclimated to the dry California heat (better than humid), but it’s possible given they’re avid hikers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

The trailhead was near a house they recently purchased.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Did-algae-bloom-kill-family-hiking-in-Mariposa-16399573.php

[Anonymous]

I’m going with Occam’s razor. Could it have been some weird unlikely event? Sure, but most likely explanation is murder suicide. The police haven’t released all the details about the death scene so you really don’t know what was found (or vomiting, etc)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m going with Occam’s razor. Could it have been some weird unlikely event? Sure, but most likely explanation is murder suicide. The police haven’t released all the details about the death scene so you really don’t know what was found (or vomiting, etc)

In the Fresno bee clip the Sheriff said they were treating as a homicide until they can establish the cause.

[Anonymous]

heat stroke seems like most likely cause, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m going with Occam’s razor. Could it have been some weird unlikely event? Sure, but most likely explanation is murder suicide. The police haven’t released all the details about the death scene so you really don’t know what was found (or vomiting, etc)

The posters on Websleuths are going for Occam’s razor too: heatstroke.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going with Occam’s razor. Could it have been some weird unlikely event? Sure, but most likely explanation is murder suicide. The police haven’t released all the details about the death scene so you really don’t know what was found (or vomiting, etc)

I feel like most likely is heat stroke, not murder suicide

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

That’s not odd at all. The trailhead is close to their house.

I have never, ever, on a 100 degree day gone for a hike in Shenandoah. Rather, that's a rafting day on a river. Who does that

The trailhead is at 1900' elevation so even on a 100+ degree day it would have been relatively cool if they headed out in the morning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

The trailhead was near a house they recently purchased.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Did-algae-bloom-kill-family-hiking-in-Mariposa-16399573.php

What warnings about "toxic stuff?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going with Occam’s razor. Could it have been some weird unlikely event? Sure, but most likely explanation is murder suicide. The police haven’t released all the details about the death scene so you really don’t know what was found (or vomiting, etc)

I feel like most likely is heat stroke, not murder suicide

except for the dog. The dog should have been able to hold out --unless s/he was tethered in the sun

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

And then put the baby back into his pack and sat down to die?

Also no wounds - no stabs, no bullets, no strangulation marks, no assault.

I think that’s what this was too. Family annihilation. So freaking sad.

Serious question - is it typical for family annihilators to kill the pets too? It’s not like the dog is gonna tattle. The death of the dog points away from murder/suicide IMO.

^Totally disagree. The dog being dead is why I am sure it’s murder/suicide. Also, the dad being in that odd seated position next to the dead baby and dog.

The dad did it all. Mom was trying to escape, but succumbed to the poison in the canteen.

Yeah I have to say from all of the animal rescues and such that we see, that a well nourished dog can survive quite some time in heat conditions. That being without proper feed and nutrition it doesn’t seem to happen as fast as in this case when it comes to deteriorating condition of health.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's odd is how they found an odd "remote" place, not far the the road, where cells don't work, that's popular in springtime, but 109 degrees currently, with warnings in area about toxic stuff, to spend the day. .

The trailhead was near a house they recently purchased.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Did-algae-bloom-kill-family-hiking-in-Mariposa-16399573.php

What warnings about "toxic stuff?"

I saw an article saying the park issued warnings saying there were toxic algae plumes or blooms in the water.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t 911 actually work even in areas of no service? I guess I’m naive but I thought that 911 would often work in places where you can’t get “normal” service. You can also text 911….even if there isn’t service, isn’t there a chance the text would go through?

How would 911 work in an area with no cell service?

Pp. I guess I’m dumb but honestly thought that there was some way it could work even if a normal call wouldn’t work. If there’s truly zero service then no, but I thought in areas where there’s not enough service for a normal call but still SOME service, then I thought 911 got prioritized or something.

I guess it’s a good thing I don’t go out hiking in areas with no cell service

Pp here. Sounds like a 911 call very well could have worked even if they had no signal-they do apparently work even if you have no bars:

https://survivalfreedom.com/do-emergency-calls-work-without-signal/

This is an absolute reminder to people that YOU HAVE NO BARS. There isn't magic to how cell technology works especially now with unlimited data/roaming. If you can't connect to a tower you out of luck. Done. Nada. Zero. 911 isn't able to breach technology.

How people don't understand this is amazing to me.

[Anonymous]

The family annihilator (FA) info is very interesting, thanks for that. Is there anything about this CA family that fits? Or we just don't know enough about them yet?

[Anonymous]

Locals avoid the trail in summer; too hot
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