Former Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax - murder/suicide?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it had also been disruptive to change schools for the kids? I do think it's strange they kept the kids in private schools. That would have been a start to getting on track financially. How were they able to accrue that much debt?

I mean, two small business owners would have a significant amount of debt anyway. Her from her degree and buying all the necessary equipment to sustain a dental practice, and him having to cover fees and whatnot for cases on contingency. And it’s not like he made a ton of money when in public service. But one of the news reports also cited over the top trips he was booking for third parties, so I wonder if he just decided to run her into the ground at some point.

Which should have been addressed in equitable distribution, but of course the case never got there and family court in Fairfax County runs so slow it could have been years.

I can't believe the people who are blaming this woman for not wanting to take her kids out of schools and off teams where they were thriving. I understand facing reality, but I also understand that in theory family court is supposed to help kids maintain the life they are used to, even if in practice it falls so far short of that it's not even funny. It takes a long, painful time to learn the reality of the family court system.

She knew she cannot afford to maintain the same life style; and she knew that he will not be able to pay much after divorce; she knew they could not afford expensive private schools. She probably was planning to impute a high income to him, which could push him to the edge, considering the mental state he was in.

Since he was unemployed and had no income as far as anyone knows, she was likely going to have to pay him alimony.

Of course. And she was fighting that. She could have agreed to some reasonable spousal support and settle the case, move out and live a happy ever after. She would support him for next 5-10 years, but still would be alive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it had also been disruptive to change schools for the kids? I do think it's strange they kept the kids in private schools. That would have been a start to getting on track financially. How were they able to accrue that much debt?

I mean, two small business owners would have a significant amount of debt anyway. Her from her degree and buying all the necessary equipment to sustain a dental practice, and him having to cover fees and whatnot for cases on contingency. And it’s not like he made a ton of money when in public service. But one of the news reports also cited over the top trips he was booking for third parties, so I wonder if he just decided to run her into the ground at some point.

Which should have been addressed in equitable distribution, but of course the case never got there and family court in Fairfax County runs so slow it could have been years.

I can't believe the people who are blaming this woman for not wanting to take her kids out of schools and off teams where they were thriving. I understand facing reality, but I also understand that in theory family court is supposed to help kids maintain the life they are used to, even if in practice it falls so far short of that it's not even funny. It takes a long, painful time to learn the reality of the family court system.

She knew she cannot afford to maintain the same life style; and she knew that he will not be able to pay much after divorce; she knew they could not afford expensive private schools. She probably was planning to impute a high income to him, which could push him to the edge, considering the mental state he was in.

Since he was unemployed and had no income as far as anyone knows, she was likely going to have to pay him alimony.

Of course. And she was fighting that. She could have agreed to some reasonable spousal support and settle the case, move out and live a happy ever after. She would support him for next 5-10 years, but still would be alive.

What is your evidence that her paying him alimony would have made him a) agree to settle the divorce or b) not have killed her?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it had also been disruptive to change schools for the kids? I do think it's strange they kept the kids in private schools. That would have been a start to getting on track financially. How were they able to accrue that much debt?

I mean, two small business owners would have a significant amount of debt anyway. Her from her degree and buying all the necessary equipment to sustain a dental practice, and him having to cover fees and whatnot for cases on contingency. And it’s not like he made a ton of money when in public service. But one of the news reports also cited over the top trips he was booking for third parties, so I wonder if he just decided to run her into the ground at some point.

Which should have been addressed in equitable distribution, but of course the case never got there and family court in Fairfax County runs so slow it could have been years.

I can't believe the people who are blaming this woman for not wanting to take her kids out of schools and off teams where they were thriving. I understand facing reality, but I also understand that in theory family court is supposed to help kids maintain the life they are used to, even if in practice it falls so far short of that it's not even funny. It takes a long, painful time to learn the reality of the family court system.

She knew she cannot afford to maintain the same life style; and she knew that he will not be able to pay much after divorce; she knew they could not afford expensive private schools. She probably was planning to impute a high income to him, which could push him to the edge, considering the mental state he was in.

Since he was unemployed and had no income as far as anyone knows, she was likely going to have to pay him alimony.

Of course. And she was fighting that. She could have agreed to some reasonable spousal support and settle the case, move out and live a happy ever after. She would support him for next 5-10 years, but still would be alive.

She probably didn’t think he was going to kill her. Nobody thinks anyone is going to kill them unless they are making direct threats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Watson's attorney said that Watson had one interaction with Fairfax after the alleged assault outside a campus party, during which Watson said "Why did you do it?" and reported Fairfax replied, "I knew that because of what happened to you last year, you'd be too afraid to say anything."[70] Watson's attorney said this showed Fairfax "used the prior rape of his 'friend' against her when he chose to rape her in a premeditated way".[71] Fairfax denied the second accusation, issuing a statement saying”

From Wikipedia

Wow. Did his wife just ignore this huge waving red flag— made public in 2019? Put blinders on ? One of their children is a daughter, if I understand correctly.

He was a sick man yet I guess she had a lot to lose financially and reputation wise if she’d left him earlier?

Joe Biden believed him. The overwhelming consensus of this board at the time as to believe him.

Lies
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/861103.page
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/846889.page

Thank you!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it had also been disruptive to change schools for the kids? I do think it's strange they kept the kids in private schools. That would have been a start to getting on track financially. How were they able to accrue that much debt?

I mean, two small business owners would have a significant amount of debt anyway. Her from her degree and buying all the necessary equipment to sustain a dental practice, and him having to cover fees and whatnot for cases on contingency. And it’s not like he made a ton of money when in public service. But one of the news reports also cited over the top trips he was booking for third parties, so I wonder if he just decided to run her into the ground at some point.

Which should have been addressed in equitable distribution, but of course the case never got there and family court in Fairfax County runs so slow it could have been years.

I can't believe the people who are blaming this woman for not wanting to take her kids out of schools and off teams where they were thriving. I understand facing reality, but I also understand that in theory family court is supposed to help kids maintain the life they are used to, even if in practice it falls so far short of that it's not even funny. It takes a long, painful time to learn the reality of the family court system.

She knew she cannot afford to maintain the same life style; and she knew that he will not be able to pay much after divorce; she knew they could not afford expensive private schools. She probably was planning to impute a high income to him, which could push him to the edge, considering the mental state he was in.

Since he was unemployed and had no income as far as anyone knows, she was likely going to have to pay him alimony.

Of course. And she was fighting that. She could have agreed to some reasonable spousal support and settle the case, move out and live a happy ever after. She would support him for next 5-10 years, but still would be alive.

I don't think Justin's ego could handle that should it come to light.

[Anonymous]

Both kids attend Catholic high schools. Googling tells me Fairfax was Catholic. If that's true and his kids were baptized Catholic, tuition for one of his kids was $23,000 a year. The other school is about $35,000.

That's assuming no financial aid and no merit scholarships. For all anyone on this board knows, one or both of the schools took the financial circumstances into account.

In any event, it's not as though his kids were going to a "big 3."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Watson's attorney said that Watson had one interaction with Fairfax after the alleged assault outside a campus party, during which Watson said "Why did you do it?" and reported Fairfax replied, "I knew that because of what happened to you last year, you'd be too afraid to say anything."[70] Watson's attorney said this showed Fairfax "used the prior rape of his 'friend' against her when he chose to rape her in a premeditated way".[71] Fairfax denied the second accusation, issuing a statement saying”

From Wikipedia

Wow. Did his wife just ignore this huge waving red flag— made public in 2019? Put blinders on ? One of their children is a daughter, if I understand correctly.

He was a sick man yet I guess she had a lot to lose financially and reputation wise if she’d left him earlier?

Joe Biden believed him. The overwhelming consensus of this board at the time as to believe him.

Lies
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/861103.page
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/846889.page

Now go back to when the Northam was exposed as a racist and the story initially broke. Biden tweeting for Northam to resign for Fairfax and the defense on him when the rape allegations first fame out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both kids attend Catholic high schools. Googling tells me Fairfax was Catholic. If that's true and his kids were baptized Catholic, tuition for one of his kids was $23,000 a year. The other school is about $35,000.

That's assuming no financial aid and no merit scholarships. For all anyone on this board knows, one or both of the schools took the financial circumstances into account.

In any event, it's not as though his kids were going to a "big 3."

Catholic schools are usually much cheaper for parishoners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Watson's attorney said that Watson had one interaction with Fairfax after the alleged assault outside a campus party, during which Watson said "Why did you do it?" and reported Fairfax replied, "I knew that because of what happened to you last year, you'd be too afraid to say anything."[70] Watson's attorney said this showed Fairfax "used the prior rape of his 'friend' against her when he chose to rape her in a premeditated way".[71] Fairfax denied the second accusation, issuing a statement saying”

From Wikipedia

Wow. Did his wife just ignore this huge waving red flag— made public in 2019? Put blinders on ? One of their children is a daughter, if I understand correctly.

He was a sick man yet I guess she had a lot to lose financially and reputation wise if she’d left him earlier?

Joe Biden believed him. The overwhelming consensus of this board at the time as to believe him.

Lies
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/861103.page
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/846889.page

Now go back to when the Northam was exposed as a racist and the story initially broke. Biden tweeting for Northam to resign for Fairfax and the defense on him when the rape allegations first fame out.

Feel free to do that work yourself, but there’s no evidence on this board or anywhere else that the “overwhelming consensus” was that Fairfax didn’t commit those assaults. If there was such an “overwhelming consensus,” the Democratic Party would have continued its push for Northam to resign and Fairfax would have become governor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both kids attend Catholic high schools. Googling tells me Fairfax was Catholic. If that's true and his kids were baptized Catholic, tuition for one of his kids was $23,000 a year. The other school is about $35,000.

That's assuming no financial aid and no merit scholarships. For all anyone on this board knows, one or both of the schools took the financial circumstances into account.

In any event, it's not as though his kids were going to a "big 3."

It doesn't matter. If you cannot afford it, you cannot afford it. And if this is true that they were in $750,000 debt (beside the mortgage) then they certainly could not afford it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Watson's attorney said that Watson had one interaction with Fairfax after the alleged assault outside a campus party, during which Watson said "Why did you do it?" and reported Fairfax replied, "I knew that because of what happened to you last year, you'd be too afraid to say anything."[70] Watson's attorney said this showed Fairfax "used the prior rape of his 'friend' against her when he chose to rape her in a premeditated way".[71] Fairfax denied the second accusation, issuing a statement saying”

From Wikipedia

Wow. Did his wife just ignore this huge waving red flag— made public in 2019? Put blinders on ? One of their children is a daughter, if I understand correctly.

He was a sick man yet I guess she had a lot to lose financially and reputation wise if she’d left him earlier?

Joe Biden believed him. The overwhelming consensus of this board at the time as to believe him.

Lies
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/861103.page
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/846889.page

Now go back to when the Northam was exposed as a racist and the story initially broke. Biden tweeting for Northam to resign for Fairfax and the defense on him when the rape allegations first fame out.

Feel free to do that work yourself, but there’s no evidence on this board or anywhere else that the “overwhelming consensus” was that Fairfax didn’t commit those assaults. If there was such an “overwhelming consensus,” the Democratic Party would have continued its push for Northam to resign and Fairfax would have become governor.

+1. Plus Fairfax lost resoundingly in the Governor primary. His fall was swift. The contemporaneous evidence simply does not support this MAGA fever dream.

[Anonymous]

I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Shooting your wife is an act of domestic violence. However, it doesn't seem like anyone is going to prosecute him for it. So, I guess there's no evidence.

[Anonymous]

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim.[b]

Except for the whole, shooting her dead in front of her kids part, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Shooting your wife is an act of domestic violence. However, it doesn't seem like anyone is going to prosecute him for it. So, I guess there's no evidence.

There was evidence he filed a false claim of abuse against her. Namely, video evidence demonstrating that he lied. That’s another DV tactic - weaponizing the law against the innocent spouse. It’s a favorite of cops who abuse their wives- bet he learned it from his prosecutor days.