Former Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax - murder/suicide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both kids attend Catholic high schools. Googling tells me Fairfax was Catholic. If that's true and his kids were baptized Catholic, tuition for one of his kids was $23,000 a year. The other school is about $35,000.

That's assuming no financial aid and no merit scholarships. For all anyone on this board knows, one or both of the schools took the financial circumstances into account.

In any event, it's not as though his kids were going to a "big 3."

Catholic schools are usually much cheaper for parishoners.

This is completely untrue. They attend the same school as my kids and it’s not a Catholic school. Please leave them out of it - they’re suffering enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

That fact that she was murdered aside, domestic violence is much more than just physical violence. Threats of suicide, spending someone's money pushing her into debt, and threatening custodial interference are all part of the power & control of domestic violence: https://www.thehotline.org/identify-abuse/power-and-control/

[Anonymous]

It is domestic violence. He did not hurt his children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both kids attend Catholic high schools. Googling tells me Fairfax was Catholic. If that's true and his kids were baptized Catholic, tuition for one of his kids was $23,000 a year. The other school is about $35,000.

That's assuming no financial aid and no merit scholarships. For all anyone on this board knows, one or both of the schools took the financial circumstances into account.

In any event, it's not as though his kids were going to a "big 3."

Catholic schools are usually much cheaper for parishoners.

This is completely untrue. They attend the same school as my kids and it’s not a Catholic school. Please leave them out of it - they’re suffering enough.

My DC goes to school with one of theirs and please leave these poor kids out of the discussions. They’ve suffered an unimaginable tragedy and have been living in horrible circumstances before last week. Analyzing their tuition, if they received aid, etc is gross.

There is a legit fundraiser for them. Consider giving to that instead of speculating how their deceased mother should have spent her money on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

If Cerina left taking the kids, Fairfax would have pressed charges for parental abduction. He's was still a lawyer and knew the system. She would have been found guilty and spent a year in jail. It's not like she could afford a decent lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Once again, please see an example of a woman that doesn't believe domestic violence exists even when someone is murdered...

Signs of domestic abuse that were publicly seen:
1) Using the legal system against her
2) Calling the police on her
3) Racking up debt
4) Refusing to find work
5) Buying a gun & threatening her with it
6) Threatening to kill himself
7) Ghosting them and disappearing

...can you even imagine what we don't know about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim.[b]

Except for the whole, shooting her dead in front of her kids part, right?

If you approach it from the democrat standpoint, it does not actually constitute domestic violence, so it does not count.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

It’s time to end “at fault” divorce, since that’s what leads to the doctrine of abandonment that was probably why she felt forced to stay. Then we end the year long waiting period for people with kids. Adults know their minds - if they go through the hassle of filing paperwork let them finish what they started.

After that, we make domestic violence a felony punishable by death or a recognized grounds for self-defense. As in, you hit your wife, she has the right to shoot you whenever and however and she walks free with a claim for pain and suffering against his estate. These men (yeah, not all men, but mostly men bro) are completely irredeemable. Everyone is better off if they’re dead. There, I said it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

If Cerina left taking the kids, Fairfax would have pressed charges for parental abduction. He's was still a lawyer and knew the system. She would have been found guilty and spent a year in jail. It's not like she could afford a decent lawyer.

I’m not saying she should have just left. but the law does not force you to stay in the same house. She could have left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

It’s time to end “at fault” divorce, since that’s what leads to the doctrine of abandonment that was probably why she felt forced to stay. Then we end the year long waiting period for people with kids. Adults know their minds - if they go through the hassle of filing paperwork let them finish what they started.

After that, we make domestic violence a felony punishable by death or a recognized grounds for self-defense. As in, you hit your wife, she has the right to shoot you whenever and however and she walks free with a claim for pain and suffering against his estate. These men (yeah, not all men, but mostly men bro) are completely irredeemable. Everyone is better off if they’re dead. There, I said it.

Agree but even in no fault states women stay too long. I stayed too long and wasn’t even married.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

If Cerina left taking the kids, Fairfax would have pressed charges for parental abduction. He's was still a lawyer and knew the system. She would have been found guilty and spent a year in jail. It's not like she could afford a decent lawyer.

I’m not saying she should have just left. but the law does not force you to stay in the same house. She could have left.

Child abandonment. Her intent would be an affirmative defense in court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

If Cerina left taking the kids, Fairfax would have pressed charges for parental abduction. He's was still a lawyer and knew the system. She would have been found guilty and spent a year in jail. It's not like she could afford a decent lawyer.

I’m not saying she should have just left. but the law does not force you to stay in the same house. She could have left.

You keep saying that despite lawyers telling you it is not true, that she could have lost her kids and her assets simply by defending herself. Just stop. The law in Virginia is antiquated and jacked up and needs to be reformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

It’s time to end “at fault” divorce, since that’s what leads to the doctrine of abandonment that was probably why she felt forced to stay. Then we end the year long waiting period for people with kids. Adults know their minds - if they go through the hassle of filing paperwork let them finish what they started.

After that, we make domestic violence a felony punishable by death or a recognized grounds for self-defense. As in, you hit your wife, she has the right to shoot you whenever and however and she walks free with a claim for pain and suffering against his estate. These men (yeah, not all men, but mostly men bro) are completely irredeemable. Everyone is better off if they’re dead. There, I said it.

Agree but even in no fault states women stay too long. I stayed too long and wasn’t even married.

Ok? Did you have kids or assets to protect? Few states actively punish people who defend themselves, and Virginia is one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

If Cerina left taking the kids, Fairfax would have pressed charges for parental abduction. He's was still a lawyer and knew the system. She would have been found guilty and spent a year in jail. It's not like she could afford a decent lawyer.

I’m not saying she should have just left. but the law does not force you to stay in the same house. She could have left.

Child abandonment. Her intent would be an affirmative defense in court.

Ffs just stop. There are legal ways to leave - do you think everyone just stays in the same house with their spouse the whole duration of a divorce? No, they get emergency/temporary orders if they cannot agree on a temporary custody plan.