Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')
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Anonymous
FACT: Dems have been pushing to ban gerrymandering for years. Who has fought it? Rs. The group of Dems who opposed the VA plan was concerned about the flaws, which turned out to be accurate. The Rs didn’t participate in good faith and the decision DID go to the conservative VA SC. So their concerns were warranted. Rs decide to go crazy with gerrymandering to protect Trump. And think Ds should just sit around and NOT try to fight it? You might be OK with Trump shitting all over our Constitution but most people are not. |
Anonymous
Just stop it. That's NOT what happened. IDGAF what happened in other states. In VA, the Dems overwhelmingly supported the amendment in 2019. It went thorough almost unanimously. There were ZERO objections about "flaws". Then once in power they reversed course. The amendment never changed, but all of a sudden there were BS "objections". They objected because they wanted to keep redistricting power in their own hands, plain and simple. And don't try to downplay it by saying it was "a group of Democrats". It was the Democratic Party of Virginia. They passed a resolution to oppose it after fully supporting it the year before. The DPVA urged voters to vote against the ending of gerrymandering in the state. These are the FACTS> https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/ |
Anonymous
Welp, in that case, I guess we should go ahead and have a king! … so long as he aligns with your views, i.e., the *correct* views. Who needs democracy anyway? |
Anonymous
It’s hilarious that you think this is some kind of stinging indictment you’ve just laid out 😄 Uh, guess what? This is the way almost everyone here thinks. The rest of the state ARE backwards MAGA idiots. They need to be disenfranchised because all they’ve done with their franchise is prove that they will only elect people like them. And they need to be stripped of their capacity to commit violence, because that’s what they will do now that they’ve been thrown out of power with redistricting and will never have it back. |
Anonymous
We can have democracy all day long. As long as we elect Democrats. It’s you people who can’t be trusted. |
Anonymous
You don't care what happens in other states? Why not? Do you even care what is happening in the US today? Do you think we should try to stop Trump? |
Anonymous
More lies. It was never “fully supported”. It wasn’t “unanimous” - a dozen Ds voted against it in 2019. There were many objections about the flaws. Some Ds were assuming that additional legislation would fix the flaws. And remember the election later that year? The Ds flipped several seats and a dozen new House members voted against it in 2020. 2019: https://virginiamercury.com/2019/10/14/virginia-took-a-step-toward-redistricting-reform-with-power-up-for-grabs-will-lawmakers-follow-through/ In the House, roughly a dozen Democrats opposed it, saying it left too much wiggle room for partisan gerrymandering and didn’t do enough to protect communities of color. ‘Just wanted to get something passed’ In a recent interview, Del. Lamont Bagby, D-Henrico, the chairman of the Virginia Legislative Black Caucus, said he still has strong reservations about the commission proposal. “A lot of individuals that we trusted lost credibility by jumping on the first train that leaves the station,” Bagby said. “It was evident that African Americans weren’t fully considered. … And Republicans were taking advantage of individuals that just wanted to get something passed that was said to be redistricting reform.” Bagby said he’s also concerned about the amendment’s backup mechanism if the commission or the General Assembly couldn’t agree on a redistricting plan. In that scenario, the Supreme Court of Virginia — which is appointed by the General Assembly — would draw the district lines. “It’s been 20 years of Republicans putting members’ friends and family on the Supreme Court,” Bagby said. “I would not trust redistricting in the hands of the Supreme Court.” The two most recent justices appointed to the state Supreme Court are Stephen McCullough, who once worked under former Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, and Teresa Chafin, the sister of state Sen. Ben Chafin, R-Russell. Some Democrats who voted for the amendment this year — even though they weren’t entirely happy with it — say its flaws can be remedied via a separate bill laying out more detailed rules and criteria for how the commission would work. “People are unconformable with some aspects of this bipartisan commission,” said Del. Mark Sickles, D-Fairfax. “So it’s important to pass implementing legislation so there will be a better understanding of how the commission would work.” The accompanying bill could include stronger measures to protect minority voting power. The amendment says the commission must comply with federal and state laws dealing with “racial and ethnic fairness,” including the Voting Rights Act. Supporters say duplicating Voting Rights Act-style protections in state law would safeguard against any future changes to federal law. The bill could also ensure racial and geographic diversity on the commission. “If we have all a bunch of white people from Northern Virginia, that would be a huge fail on a lot of levels,” Cannon said. Bagby said he’s skeptical that the accompanying bill could resolve his concerns about the Supreme Court being the final arbiter in case of a deadlock. “Something is not always better than nothing,” Bagby said. “What it appears we’re doing is we’re letting the same people that gerrymandered us for the last 20-plus years continue to do the same thing to us. Just with different hats on.” |
Anonymous
Sorry. Nice try twisting yourself into a pretzel over this, but the leaders did a “full flop” by Politifact. When you’re done hyperventilating, give it a look. But I suspect you’ll say it’s “more lies”. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/24/virginia-house-democratic-caucus/top-virginia-house-democrats-flip-flopped-redistri/ |
Anonymous
Please tell me this is a joke. |
Anonymous
It’s an anonymous forum. You should always take what you read with a grain of salt. People lie. |
Anonymous
Did I say I was joking? Did I imply it? No. I didn’t, and no, I’m not. Virginia MAGAs cannot be allowed to be anything other than a tiny minority in terms of representation in Congress. Because if they’re allowed to have multiple districts like we have now, we end up with what Virginia has currently: almost half the state is represented in Congress by MAGAs. That needs to be stopped. And that’s the point of redrawing all these districts - to make certain that each district has enough Democratic votes in it to ensure that maga nutjobs cannot get elected in thise districts, ever. That’s the entire point in doing this. Unfortunately, Virginia has so many MAGAs, especially in the western half of the state, that there just aren’t enough Democratic votes in it to draw the westernmost district in such as way to make the numbers work, so that remaining district will always be represented by a RWNJ no matter what. So really the best we can hope for is to have a 10-1 breakdown of the state districts, and know that those 10 sane voices will outweigh the one lunatic. That’s the best we can do, and it’s what we MUST do to ensure that election fairness and democracy itself can survive in Virginia, and be restored to Capitol Hill. |
Anonymous
No twisting required. The facts are clear: It was never “fully supported”. It wasn’t “unanimous” - a dozen Ds voted against it in 2019. There were many objections about the flaws. Some Ds who voted yes the first time stated that they did so assuming that additional legislation would fix the flaws. The Ds flipped several seats and a dozen new House members voted against it in 2020. |
Anonymous
According to you, election fairness is eliminating the voices who do not agree with you. “By any means necessary” is what Lenin said, I believe. |
Anonymous
DP. If the voices think that it’s ok for Trump to continue unchecked by Congress, then yes. The POTUS shouldn’t have absolute power. Our government doesn’t work with if all three branches are corrupt. |
Anonymous
Exactly. They could care less about fairness, representation, and democracy. As long as their side wins, they literally do not care how. |