Palestinians Starving - What Can We Do?

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

Can they buy homes wherever they want? “Jewish buyers only” sounds more like apartheid or segregation. Imagine a “Christian buyers only” or “white customers only” sign in the US.

Israel is not a democracy. If Palestinians in the West Bank are under Israeli occupation and they pay taxes to Israel, then they should be allowed the right to vote. They aren’t allowed the right to attorney, fair trial, or even the right to farm or get water rights so no, Israel is not a democracy

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

If that's your only measure of democracy, then your bar is pretty low.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

And non-Jews have different laws on how they can become citizens. That's democratic to you?

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

So… The history of Zionism is not about “white European supremacy.” Please read the thread so you can keep up.

Exactly, it's a settler colonial project meant to create a religious ethnostate at the expense and elimination of the indigenous Arab population.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

And non-Jews have different laws on how they can become citizens. That's democratic to you?

And shitload of discriminatory laws against them

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

So… The history of Zionism is not about “white European supremacy.” Please read the thread so you can keep up.

Exactly, it's a settler colonial project meant to create a religious ethnostate at the expense and elimination of the indigenous Arab population.

What’s your solution? Ethnically cleanse the Jews so the Arabs can take back the land?

They are not living together in a one state solution. Not without one side oppressing the other in some way. There’s too much hate.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

If that's your only measure of democracy, then your bar is pretty low.

Again, you’re adding a secular dimension to democracy that doesn’t exist in the definition of the word. It’s not the kind of democracy I would want to live in, because I prefer the separation of church and state, but it is one. I also wouldn’t want to be British where the king heads their church. To each their own.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

So… The history of Zionism is not about “white European supremacy.” Please read the thread so you can keep up.

Exactly, it's a settler colonial project meant to create a religious ethnostate at the expense and elimination of the indigenous Arab population.

And what about Hamas? They don’t allow the minority Christians or other non Muslims to have legal status or worship freely. What do you call that, a religious ethnostate at the expense of non Muslims?

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

Good thing Israeli citizens of all religions and ethnicities can vote then.

Can they buy homes wherever they want? “Jewish buyers only” sounds more like apartheid or segregation. Imagine a “Christian buyers only” or “white customers only” sign in the US.

Israel is not a democracy. If Palestinians in the West Bank are under Israeli occupation and they pay taxes to Israel, then they should be allowed the right to vote. They aren’t allowed the right to attorney, fair trial, or even the right to farm or get water rights so no, Israel is not a democracy

Democracy is defined by government representatives being elected, not housing laws. Democracy doesn’t necessarily mean a government that looks like America’s with our constitutional protections.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

FYI the one the main reasons why DNA tests are not allowed in Israel is because so many yemeni babies were stolen and DNA tests would reveal this horrific history.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

So… The history of Zionism is not about “white European supremacy.” Please read the thread so you can keep up.

Exactly, it's a settler colonial project meant to create a religious ethnostate at the expense and elimination of the indigenous Arab population.

What’s your solution? Ethnically cleanse the Jews so the Arabs can take back the land?

They are not living together in a one state solution. Not without one side oppressing the other in some way. There’s too much hate.

The utopian one state solution isn’t backed by Israel or Palestinian governments. It also lacks intentional backing for this reason. It’s not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Most of the indigenous Jewish people converted to Christianity and Islam and trace their ancestry to the Canaanites and represent the modern day Palestinians. They have much stronger claims to being the "chosen people" if you believe in that bullshit. Don't claim your god promised the land to people from Poland and Brooklyn 3000 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Most of the indigenous Jewish people converted to Christianity and Islam and trace their ancestry to the Canaanites and represent the modern day Palestinians. They have much stronger claims to being the "chosen people" if you believe in that bullshit. Don't claim your god promised the land to people from Poland and Brooklyn 3000 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

So… The history of Zionism is not about “white European supremacy.” Please read the thread so you can keep up.

Exactly, it's a settler colonial project meant to create a religious ethnostate at the expense and elimination of the indigenous Arab population.

What’s your solution? Ethnically cleanse the Jews so the Arabs can take back the land?

They are not living together in a one state solution. Not without one side oppressing the other in some way. There’s too much hate.

There’s not too much hate. 20% of Israel is Arab. 20% of the West Bank is Israeli. Jerusalem is a mixed city where they literally pray side by side.

Jewish and Palestinians Civilians are not killing each other en masse despite the war in Gaza.

The idea that they can’t get along is not correct. Most of them just want to live.

The problem is the ideologues and extremist violent actors make it harder for everyone