Palestinians Starving - What Can We Do?

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Well when you research things like the 1950-1951 Baghdad bombings and the
Israeli black panther movement in the 70s, you would realize why Mizrahis started getting catered to by the Israeli right.
They realized they were susceptible to aligning with their fellow Arabic speaking Palestinians over Russian and German Jews.

Mizrahis are just army labor for the Ashkenazis and the Israeli project. They’ve never made it to prime minister or chief of Mossad despite their knowledge of Arabic and higher population in Israel. Israel is a white Nazi state

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

There are different rules for Jews and non-Jews to emigrate. There are different rules for different groups of people. You don't know what a democracy is, pp.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Successfully? Are you effing kidding? Lebanon has seen its PM assassinated, endured a civil war, and suffered from endless sectarian tension/conflict.

Not a model that any serious person would suggest.

The civil war was not a real sectarian civil war. It was thanks to Palestinians and Israelis bringing their drama to Lebanon

Palestinians and Israelis have so much beef that it messes up other countries. Yet, they're supposedly to magically live together in peace and harmony forever and ever.

Not seeing it.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Hamas can be defeated soon so that the kids won't be suffering any more.

Me too.

Right because Israel bombing 100 Palestinian children every day seems to be doing the job. Of course, Israel, which excels in ethnic cleansing and genocide, thought it wasn't fast enough so they are stepping up their game through forced starvation maybe it'll be thousands every day soon.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-commissioner-general-gaza-harrowing-least-100-children-are-reported-killed

I look forward to Hamas being defeated. Even if it takes a long time. Has to be done.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

Is America a Christian state?

No. Why?

We are a democracy.

You cannot be a democracy and have a state religion unless Israel is saying they are now Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Well when you research things like the 1950-1951 Baghdad bombings and the
Israeli black panther movement in the 70s, you would realize why Mizrahis started getting catered to by the Israeli right.
They realized they were susceptible to aligning with their fellow Arabic speaking Palestinians over Russian and German Jews.

Mizrahis are just army labor for the Ashkenazis and the Israeli project. They’ve never made it to prime minister or chief of Mossad despite their knowledge of Arabic and higher population in Israel. Israel is a white Nazi state

or maybe, the Mizrahi remember living as a minority under Arab rule and don't ever want to be in that situation again.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

There are different rules for Jews and non-Jews to emigrate. There are different rules for different groups of people. You don't know what a democracy is, pp.

Democracy - people elect representatives to act in their behalf in the government

It’s not that difficult of a concept. It’s you who is adding a secular requirement to the definition, which doesn’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

Is America a Christian state?

No. Why?

We are a democracy.

You cannot be a democracy and have a state religion unless Israel is saying they are now Iran.

We are a constitutional republic.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

DP.

That's an oxymoron. You cannot be a religious nationalist state and a democracy. Pick one or the other, but you cannot be both.

Not really. It has universal suffrage, recognizes civil liberties and an independent judiciary but also prioritizes a Jewish identify in its flag, immigration policies, national symbols, holidays. It’s both. Secular democracy is a different thing.

A democracy for Jewish people is not a democracy, pp.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

This is an incredibly inane (and sadly oft-repeated) argument.

Your theory is that Israel is unwilling to live next to the Palestinians but somehow magically is MORE likely to accept a single state, where Jews are a minority and have to live under a Palestinian controlled government.

Daft.

Oh, I didn't say at all what Israel is "willing" to. Israel doesn't want either option - a unified 100% democratic state (called something other than 'Israel'), OR a two-state solution. Israel doesn't want anything that involves compromise or sharing or peace (for anyone but their own imported people).

Lebanon is able to successfully handle three religious sects by mandating the president is Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of parliament Shia Muslim. That’s in their constitution.

Israel/Palestine also have three religions among them. It’s possible to have the same arrangement in a one state solution: Jewish president, Muslim PM, Christian speaker etc.

As for it being the “Jewish state”, it cannot be a Jewish state if it’s a democracy. It needs to make a state religion and hold elections like Iran if that’s the case

Successfully? Are you effing kidding? Lebanon has seen its PM assassinated, endured a civil war, and suffered from endless sectarian tension/conflict.

Not a model that any serious person would suggest.

The civil war was not a real sectarian civil war. It was thanks to Palestinians and Israelis bringing their drama to Lebanon

Palestinians and Israelis have so much beef that it messes up other countries. Yet, they're supposedly to magically live together in peace and harmony forever and ever.

Not seeing it.

The previous poster implied Lebanon has deeply embedded sectarian rifts. They do not. Muslims and Christians celebrate their holidays and live and work together in Beirut. The only sectarian thing they are dealing with is they hate Israel and Palestinians and Iran and want them all out. Rightfully so

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

The Arab countries should take them in. They have plenty of land and can build up to be stronger nations that can then be more equal with Israel.

Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their home and go elsewhere, in the first place? Because the zionists think god gave them the land thousands of years ago?

DP. No one should leave.

2 states. It’s way past time for the extremists on both f****** sides to accept this.

Israel will never allow a sovereign Palestinian state. Ever.

Carving up people into different religious nationalists doesn't work. The only solution is one state, no supremacy, and learning to live together.

You can't force two people who hate/fear each other to live together. Name one state in MENA where Jews are treated well. It won't happen until the Arab world learns to treat Jews as equals.

Jews were living successful lives in numerous nations in the middle east, but the Zionist used violence, bombings and secret agreements with foreign governments to force them out because they didn't want to leave.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

The Mizrahi Jews are the most rightward leaning demographic in Israel. They have living memory of life as a minority in MENA, and it’s existential for them to never be a minority again.

The Ashkenazi Jews are the ones who comprise most of the Jewish left.

Doesn’t speak well to how the Jews were treated in MENA.

Zionists also attacked Jews in Egypt, Morocco, and Yemen as well to make them flee. They were trying to populate their own country but Jews didn't want to leave. Many still remain in those countries today.

What's quite sad is how these non-European Jews have been treated. There are numerous books written about the discrimination they've experienced.

Mizrahi Jews have been subject to ghettoisation, cultural theft, and medical experimentation
The Yemenite Children Affair is where they stole Yemenite Jewish babies and forced them in European Jewish families.
Ethiopian Jews have a long history of being discriminated and were forcefully sterilized to keep their population down

This is not surprising because the history of Zionism is one of racism and White European supremacy

Oh give it a rest. Jewish attachment to the land goes back to 1200 BC.

Dp.

So?

You don't get special dibs because you shared a myth with someone from thousands of years ago.

So… The history of Zionism is not about “white European supremacy.” Please read the thread so you can keep up.

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu’s been president/prime minister for 18 years and counting. What kind of democracy is that?

[Anonymous]

Putin wasn’t even in office for that long