Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

but that didn't happen. Why?

Yes that’s exactly what happened
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

Us denied visas to extremist West Bank settlers

Please there are firms in New York that raise funds and deposit the funds in West Bank most extreme settlers accounts. They have been operating openly for years. Funding terrorists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

Exactly. This guy wasn’t just walking around with a cardboard sign reading “Cease Fire.”

So, if a South African living in the US with a green card during the 80s supported Nelson Mandela and the ANC, should he have been deported back to South Africa? Mandela and the ANC were considered terrorists until 2008.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-government-considered-nelson-mandela-terrorist-until-2008-flna2d11708787

DP. Let's make the hypothetical match the current situation:

How 'bout if our imaginary South African issued a statement supporting murdering white South African civilians en masse and calling for the destruction of western civilization (as CUAD has done)?

Deportable?

So make up some sh#t and deport them? Why do Jewish people get to decide who is arrested and deported and who stays in the US? Why does every Ivy League president have to be a pro Israeli extremists?

This has gone too far. It is time for the US to cut all ties with Israel. Any pro Israeli should be deported to Israel. These people will be at home in the apartheid society of religious extremist.

Sadly for you most Israeli supporters are US citizens. Unlike this guy.

Israel is an enemy of the US. Any supporter or people who claim Israel is their homeland must be deported. Trump is building the infrastructure to deport 12 million immigrants and the legal foundation to remove birth right citizenship. We can use this system to remove the true threat to America. This needs to take priority over illegals. Luckily there is no due process. That would slow things down.

+100 we need more of this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

but that didn't happen. Why?

Yes that’s exactly what happened
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

Us denied visas to extremist West Bank settlers

Please there are firms in New York that raise funds and deposit the funds in West Bank most extreme settlers accounts. They have been operating openly for years. Funding terrorists.

Bummer. Probably a IRS issue. But it has nothing to do with immigration law! Stay on topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA: "Oh we aren't anti-immigrant, we just want to get rid of the violent criminals who've come in to our country"

*ICE starts deporting quiet, humble, hard working, non-violent maids, kitchen staff, landscapers, construction workers - yet isn't doing such a great job on the violent ones*

MAGA: "uhh well if you've crossed the border illegally then you're the worst kind of criminal and you need to go"

*ICE starts deporting people who LEGALLY entered the country, with visas, with green cards, with asylum protections, and so on*

MAGA: "uhhh well they must have done something seriously wrong, they must be violent Hamas terrorists or Venezuelan cat eaters or something"

More and more backpedaling, more and more unhinged rationalizing happening...

Like I said earlier - the goal is to remove all immigrants, by force or by fear.

[Anonymous]

Those Palestine protesters didn't care enough to vote for Kamala, so I guess I don't care that Trump is doing what he is to them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

but that didn't happen. Why?

Yes that’s exactly what happened
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

Us denied visas to extremist West Bank settlers

that was during Biden's admin. What about Trump's? I'm thinking Trump would be fine with those extremist settlers pushing out Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

You Zionists are not Americans and you don't believe in anything it is supposed to stand for, which is why you love a baby-slaughtering factory like "israel"

HE BROKE NO LAW. YOU ARE AN EVIL, FASCIST PEOPLE.

"National security threat"...what? Did he get a hold of the Epstein list?

Here they are ADMITTING that criticism of "Israel" is where you stop having rights:

https://x.com/lionel_trolling/status/1899512919995351199
https://x.com/lionel_trolling/status/1899512919995351199

[Anonymous]

The Ham-a$$ troll is on a roll. Have you got a pay raise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First they came for the aid workers, and no one really cared.

Then they came for the federal workers, and no one really cared.

Then they came for the universities, and no one really cared.

Then they came for the journalists, and no one really cared.

Then they came for the lawyers, and no one really cared.

Then they came for green card holders, and no one really cared.

Do people see where this ends?

Do you not understand the irony of you lifting a poem about the Holocaust to defend a Palestinian terrorist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those Palestine protesters didn't care enough to vote for Kamala, so I guess I don't care that Trump is doing what he is to them

+1. This protestor being deported is #674,989 on my list of grievances against Trump. It's terrible but many of us tried to warn the protestors about voting for Trump or third party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

We adopted two children from overseas before 9/11. Under the rules then they came with green cards. A listserv I belonged to discussed several cases of green card adoptees being deported after committing crimes as young adults. Thank God I took the extra steps and got their citizenship certificates. IIRC it cost another $1200 each. It turns out my children are not criminals. This guy won’t be the first green card holder deported but he hasn’t been convicted of an underlying crime yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

but that didn't happen. Why?

Yes that’s exactly what happened
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

Us denied visas to extremist West Bank settlers

Please there are firms in New York that raise funds and deposit the funds in West Bank most extreme settlers accounts. They have been operating openly for years. Funding terrorists.

This is what most of Brooklyn is founded upon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

I posted what you responded to. To my non-lawyer trained mind this would seem a grey area at best. He's not providing material support (e.g., money, supplies, harboring), only saying he agrees with what Hamas is doing. I could see not letting an immigrant in who said this at the point of entry interview. But I would think the bar has to be somewhat higher for permanent residents in terms of penalizing them for speech.

If the first amendment applies equally to citizens and noncitizens alike, seems like deporting him for speech is a clear first amendment violation. I thought the default was that laws (except for voting, jury duty, electoral office, etc.) apply to citizens and noncitizens alike.

If we have carve outs for noncitizens, what are they? Can we arrest them at will? Search them without a warrant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

We adopted two children from overseas before 9/11. Under the rules then they came with green cards. A listserv I belonged to discussed several cases of green card adoptees being deported after committing crimes as young adults. Thank God I took the extra steps and got their citizenship certificates. IIRC it cost another $1200 each. It turns out my children are not criminals. This guy won’t be the first green card holder deported but he hasn’t been convicted of an underlying crime yet.

You don't have to be convicted of an underlying crime to be deported.