Oakton crash

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Anonymous wrote:It's becoming Poor vs Rich case now...speculations

Sure (sarcasm), that’s why the BMW was headed south.

It’s gonna be “poor” vs “poor”, which just really sucks for the dead girl’s family.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was under influence, he would be screwed for sure

The truck?

Obviously pp is talking about the BMW driver. The Toyota driver is the one that had the good sense to stop for pedestrians.

But then pull out in front of another car so…

If the Toyota had pulled out in front of the BMW, it would have been hit on the side rather than along the front. The shearing across the front of the Toyota and the side of the BMW, combined with the BMW ricochet, is more consistent with the Toyota having made a partial left turn before stopping for the pedestrians and then the BMW catching it across the left side of the front end as it tried to swerve around (since it was going too fast to realize the intersection wasn’t clear as it approached), and then ricocheting away as the left side of the car slowed down more than the right side due to the impact.

Agree on the impact spots for each car but the Toyota was possibly moving at impact. He may have just started to turn across the lane of traffic after previously stopping for the pedestrians. If the BMW clipped that corner the Toyota would be pushed into the BMW and then both cars would rotate.

I agree with both - if you look at where the Toyota ended up, if it was in a partial turn, it definitely rotated from its original position when it would have started the turn.

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what is the outcome, TOYOTA driver should have waited for proper signal OR clean road. He has a big hand in this accident.

Fcked up VA law or not, he made a huge error too.

There is very limited visibility of the cars approaching the intersection from the other direction, which is why the BMW should have been going much slower approaching the intersection. You can’t avoid what you can’t see.

Spewing this garbage to try to excuse your kid/friend from killing two people is disgusting.

DP. Yeah, I agree -- the posts after posts after posts here trying to shove blame onto the Toyota driver, onto "fckd up VA law" etc. are nauseating. I don't even know that it's the BMW driver's friends or family though - I think someone just got hold of this thread and is now trolling us simply to get reactions and keep this idiocy going. All our posts pointing out realities like the curve in the road, the clearly excessive speed of the BMW (whether that speed turns out to be 60 or 100), the law that says right of way can be negated by speeding, etc. -- those won't stop this (or these) trolls from coming back to bait us here. They're evil and they're getting their jollies by posting like this about an incident that killed two people. Let's stop feeding the beast here and not respond to them any further. Cut off their oxygen.

Sorry, other people are allowed to have opinions.

My opinion is that the PPs should stop making up random facts or pushing baseless assumptions as truths.

Stow your eye-roll. Of course people are allowed to have opinions. But you must not know DCUM and its trolls very well. Coming back at them with sensible facts has zero effect on them and only feeds them so they keep posting their nonsense (which in this case has become pretty cruel nonsense).

The "don't feed the trolls" approach is a common one here.

It's not saying "No one should post opinions." It's saying, those who care about actual discussion could try not to post in response to every repeated post that's parroting the same crap over and over, because responses to them only make them come back and keep parroting. Sorry you don't get that.

[Anonymous]

Why is this thread still going strong?
This is such sad commentary - people died, families lives are ruined.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was under influence, he would be screwed for sure

The truck?

Obviously pp is talking about the BMW driver. The Toyota driver is the one that had the good sense to stop for pedestrians.

But yet not good enough to not turn directly into traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what is the outcome, TOYOTA driver should have waited for proper signal OR clean road. He has a big hand in this accident.

Fcked up VA law or not, he made a huge error too.

There is very limited visibility of the cars approaching the intersection from the other direction, which is why the BMW should have been going much slower approaching the intersection. You can’t avoid what you can’t see.

Spewing this garbage to try to excuse your kid/friend from killing two people is disgusting.

DP. Yeah, I agree -- the posts after posts after posts here trying to shove blame onto the Toyota driver, onto "fckd up VA law" etc. are nauseating. I don't even know that it's the BMW driver's friends or family though - I think someone just got hold of this thread and is now trolling us simply to get reactions and keep this idiocy going. All our posts pointing out realities like the curve in the road, the clearly excessive speed of the BMW (whether that speed turns out to be 60 or 100), the law that says right of way can be negated by speeding, etc. -- those won't stop this (or these) trolls from coming back to bait us here. They're evil and they're getting their jollies by posting like this about an incident that killed two people. Let's stop feeding the beast here and not respond to them any further. Cut off their oxygen.

Sorry, other people are allowed to have opinions.

My opinion is that the PPs should stop making up random facts or pushing baseless assumptions as truths.

Stow your eye-roll. Of course people are allowed to have opinions. But you must not know DCUM and its trolls very well. Coming back at them with sensible facts has zero effect on them and only feeds them so they keep posting their nonsense (which in this case has become pretty cruel nonsense).

The "don't feed the trolls" approach is a common one here.

It's not saying "No one should post opinions." It's saying, those who care about actual discussion could try not to post in response to every repeated post that's parroting the same crap over and over, because responses to them only make them come back and keep parroting. Sorry you don't get that.

Sorry you don’t like it when people call out BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Police were out again yesterday taking measurements to calculate the BMW’s speed. I was talking about this case with a friend who is a criminal defense attorney, and he suspects they found the driver was under the influence of some sort of drugs and are examining whether they have enough evidence of speed to charge him with aggravated involuntary manslaughter.

Probably texting. You can’t even have your hand on the phone in Virginia while driving.

Speeding and texting and murdering.

The guy driving the truck was texting? Evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I disagree....had the Toyota waited for it's turn, regardless of the speed of BMW, no accident would have happened.

Aren't you assuming then that the Toyota would have been somewhere outside of (to the left of or out in front of) the turning lane? Do we know this to be the case? The Toyota could have easily been sitting there completely in the turning lane, waiting to advance once the girls cleared the road. The BMW was traveling at a high enough rate of speed that it could have veered into the Toyota's turning lane. Why are we assuming that the Toyota was where it shouldn't have been when we know that the BMW was doing what it shouldn't have been (traveling at an excessively high rate of speed)? I just don't get the assumptions that the accident wouldn't have happened if the Toyota wasn't about to turn left at the intersection. Maybe the accident wouldn't have happened if the idiot BMW driver wasn't flooring it after turning left from Sutton Rd. I have a 2019 BMW, similar style, and that could easily reach 80+ MPH in such a short distance.

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Anonymous wrote:The Toyota seems to have been hit hard in its front left corner. That doesn't make sense.

Part way into the turn when it stopped for people in crosswalk. So at an angle when the BMW hit the front left corner.

If what you wrote is correct, the Toyota would have been hit in the front right corner.

NP. Exactly. Wouldn't it make sense, then, that the Toyota was completely in the turning late or just straight in front of it, and the BMW was going at a high enough rate of speed to possibly lose control of the car, slide to the left and hit the front left side of the Toyota and then cause the series of reactions from there? All speculation, of course, but the Toyota driver probably never even saw the BMW when he first paused there to turn left.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to hang the BMW guy...might be rich..easy target for hatred..

It's not because he might be rich. It's because it's obvious he was driving way over the speed limit, which is 35 mph.

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Anonymous wrote:The Toyota seems to have been hit hard in its front left corner. That doesn't make sense.

Part way into the turn when it stopped for people in crosswalk. So at an angle when the BMW hit the front left corner.

If what you wrote is correct, the Toyota would have been hit in the front right corner.

NP. Exactly. Wouldn't it make sense, then, that the Toyota was completely in the turning late or just straight in front of it, and the BMW was going at a high enough rate of speed to possibly lose control of the car, slide to the left and hit the front left side of the Toyota and then cause the series of reactions from there? All speculation, of course, but the Toyota driver probably never even saw the BMW when he first paused there to turn left.

This seems most logical to me. Where that Toyota was hit suggests it was barely into that turn. The position of the Toyota when it rested after the accident, as well as damage to BMW on the drivers side, and the distance it traveled after impact would seem to indicate this as likely scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was under influence, he would be screwed for sure

The truck?

Obviously pp is talking about the BMW driver. The Toyota driver is the one that had the good sense to stop for pedestrians.

But then pull out in front of another car so…

...Another car driving recklessly at excessive rates of speed that perhaps couldn't even be seen when he paused in the intersection...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an important part of that article:

“Police said it is possible there are still witnesses or people with images of the crash who have not come forward yet. Anyone with any information that might help their investigation is asked to call 703-280-0543.”

Those of you have kids that are friends with the driver - i know for a fact you have posted here or are lurking - better have your kids contact this number. Kids talk.

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Sorry - have not read the whole thread. Were there passengers in the BMW? How about the Toyota?

This is just so sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if law had negated the right of way for Toyota, (1) Did the Toyota guy carry a radar gun to figure out the speed, and (2) once he realized that the BMW had lost right of way, he put himself in the way...? Why? To collect money after collision?

This is some really batshit spin.

Insane conspiracy spin is more like it. WTF?????