Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

LET THE INVESTIGATORS DECIDE....I FEEL THAT MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM ARE ANGRY BECAUSE OF ASSUMED FINANVIAL STATUS OF RTHE KID. I BET THE FEELING WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT, IF HIS CAR WAS A CHEAP HYUNDAI...

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Anonymous wrote:If he was under influence, he would be screwed for sure

The truck?

Obviously pp is talking about the BMW driver. The Toyota driver is the one that had the good sense to stop for pedestrians.

But then pull out in front of another car so…

If the Toyota had pulled out in front of the BMW, it would have been hit on the side rather than along the front. The shearing across the front of the Toyota and the side of the BMW, combined with the BMW ricochet, is more consistent with the Toyota having made a partial left turn before stopping for the pedestrians and then the BMW catching it across the left side of the front end as it tried to swerve around (since it was going too fast to realize the intersection wasn’t clear as it approached), and then ricocheting away as the left side of the car slowed down more than the right side due to the impact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he was under influence, he would be screwed for sure

The truck?

Obviously pp is talking about the BMW driver. The Toyota driver is the one that had the good sense to stop for pedestrians.

But then pull out in front of another car so…

If the Toyota had pulled out in front of the BMW, it would have been hit on the side rather than along the front. The shearing across the front of the Toyota and the side of the BMW, combined with the BMW ricochet, is more consistent with the Toyota having made a partial left turn before stopping for the pedestrians and then the BMW catching it across the left side of the front end as it tried to swerve around (since it was going too fast to realize the intersection wasn’t clear as it approached), and then ricocheting away as the left side of the car slowed down more than the right side due to the impact.

Agree on the impact spots for each car but the Toyota was possibly moving at impact. He may have just started to turn across the lane of traffic after previously stopping for the pedestrians. If the BMW clipped that corner the Toyota would be pushed into the BMW and then both cars would rotate.

[Anonymous]

Not exactly this but close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what is the outcome, TOYOTA driver should have waited for proper signal OR clean road. He has a big hand in this accident.

Fcked up VA law or not, he made a huge error too.

There is very limited visibility of the cars approaching the intersection from the other direction, which is why the BMW should have been going much slower approaching the intersection. You can’t avoid what you can’t see.

Spewing this garbage to try to excuse your kid/friend from killing two people is disgusting.

DP. Yeah, I agree -- the posts after posts after posts here trying to shove blame onto the Toyota driver, onto "fckd up VA law" etc. are nauseating. I don't even know that it's the BMW driver's friends or family though - I think someone just got hold of this thread and is now trolling us simply to get reactions and keep this idiocy going. All our posts pointing out realities like the curve in the road, the clearly excessive speed of the BMW (whether that speed turns out to be 60 or 100), the law that says right of way can be negated by speeding, etc. -- those won't stop this (or these) trolls from coming back to bait us here. They're evil and they're getting their jollies by posting like this about an incident that killed two people. Let's stop feeding the beast here and not respond to them any further. Cut off their oxygen.

Sorry, other people are allowed to have opinions.

My opinion is that the PPs should stop making up random facts or pushing baseless assumptions as truths.

"baseless"

[Anonymous]

Possibly similar accident:


https://emorywheel.com/two-students-seriously-injured-in-car-accident/

[Anonymous]

Don't kill the messenger....enabler of this accident carries a much bigger burden. Blaming the car only for high speed and seemingly high status is wrong

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Anonymous wrote:Don't kill the messenger....enabler of this accident carries a much bigger burden. Blaming the car only for high speed and seemingly high status is wrong

Interesting choice of words.

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Anonymous wrote:Police were out again yesterday taking measurements to calculate the BMW’s speed. I was talking about this case with a friend who is a criminal defense attorney, and he suspects they found the driver was under the influence of some sort of drugs and are examining whether they have enough evidence of speed to charge him with aggravated involuntary manslaughter.

What makes your lawyer friend suspect that the driver was to be under the influence of drugs?

[Anonymous]

Wrong side of the story:(

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Toyota driver could have been the big enabler here. While the kid driving at high speed was wrong, if he had turned left from Sutton to Blake, there is hardly 1000Ft or so of distance before it reaches Five Oaks road. If the BMW had right of way, then the adult Toyota caused the massive accident.....investigators should look into this angle too.

Kid has a rolling start on Sutton for sure.

He was already going pretty fast on Sutton, probably to beat the red right.

The 1000 feet distance doesn’t matter if the BMW kept accelerating after the turn.

Look at the damage on the Toyota, it absorbed most of the crash energy.

The Toyota saved the BMW driver’s life. The BMW crash absorption is probably the worst of any car I have seen in recent memory.

The BMW pedestrian crash protection was also non-existent. Garbage German car.

Look at the telephone pole half way down the block. The car was going very fast

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't kill the messenger....enabler of this accident carries a much bigger burden. Blaming the car only for high speed and seemingly high status is wrong

Interesting choice of words.

+1 ouch. Two kids died.

Rest assured that law enforcement and judicial personnel will make decisions, not DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Police were out again yesterday taking measurements to calculate the BMW’s speed. I was talking about this case with a friend who is a criminal defense attorney, and he suspects they found the driver was under the influence of some sort of drugs and are examining whether they have enough evidence of speed to charge him with aggravated involuntary manslaughter.

Probably texting. You can’t even have your hand on the phone in Virginia while driving.

Speeding and texting and murdering.

[Anonymous]

It's becoming Poor vs Rich case now...speculations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Police were out again yesterday taking measurements to calculate the BMW’s speed. I was talking about this case with a friend who is a criminal defense attorney, and he suspects they found the driver was under the influence of some sort of drugs and are examining whether they have enough evidence of speed to charge him with aggravated involuntary manslaughter.

Probably texting. You can’t even have your hand on the phone in Virginia while driving.

Speeding and texting and murdering.

Eh. From where he was apparently coming from, some Major accelerating it happened. No way could he have texted and been “in control “of the vehicle to go that fast so soon.