2022 Olympics

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I'm not an expert on the scoring system, so I'm wondering of you can help me. Is the additional value given for grade of execution related to the base value of each skill? Why can't lower base value skills be given higher GOE scores? It seems like they get 1-2 max.

There are two portions of the score. The technical score has no cap, while the performance (or component score) is capped. Each technical component receives a base point value and then that base point value is adjusted by a GOE which is scaled to be within a range of +/- 5 points. So a less complicated jump, which has a base score of 4.5 points, will receive a smaller GOE scale than a big jump worth 9 points. But your technical score can exceed 50 points in the short and 100 points in the long based on what your technical content is.

The component scores on the other hand are 10 points max for each of the 5 components, so you're scaled at or below that score, and can max out at 50 points in the SP and 100 points in the FS. Theoretically, you can maximize your component score through GOE, because you do your elements well, but since GOE is scaled based on the technical point value, you get MORE points by performing the hardest elements (quads) so there's a huge point deficit to catch up on.

Thank you! I wasn't sure about the GOE being scaled, but that makes sense. I suppose that hypothetically, certain non-jump elements could be given higher base values, like the step sequence, if the system wanted to award excellence in other areas, right? The skaters with amazing footwork sequences don't seem to be rewarded enough.

Also, I've noticed that a number of spins are designated for review. Are these flagged for the position of the body or some other flaw?

Non-jump elements are assigned a level, which all have their own base point value, so yes, a more sophisticated skater can score level 4s with higher base values and GOE points than someone who does a level 2 to bid time between jumps. But those point advantages are peanuts compared to quads.

Spins may also be marked for review if they don't complete the required number of revolutions, or if they don't maintain the correct edge.

Wonderful explanation pp.

I wanted to add that the points based scoring system came about after the 2002 olympics. Back then Timothy Goebel, who won the bronze, landed ONE quad in combination. He was also known for years for weaker artistry. I think when the scoring system was set up they didn’t really take into account a world where men’s skating would have 5-6 quads or a quad axel attempt.

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Anonymous wrote:The skating debate is a lot like the gymnastics debate. I think we've sacrificed so much beauty in gymnastics due to the focus on harder and harder tricks. I think it's why Sunisa Lee became such a fan favorite ... she really combines the artistry and the tricks. (And her bars moves actually remind me a little of Jason Brown's jumping.)

+1. I almost don't like to watch women's Olympic gymnastics now. It stresses me out. And what they are attempting is so difficult they look stressed out and there are tons of mistakes, falls, etc.

agreed

and seriously, NO MORE WOLF TURNS

Yes, I hate the wolf turn!

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Anonymous wrote:The skating debate is a lot like the gymnastics debate. I think we've sacrificed so much beauty in gymnastics due to the focus on harder and harder tricks. I think it's why Sunisa Lee became such a fan favorite ... she really combines the artistry and the tricks. (And her bars moves actually remind me a little of Jason Brown's jumping.)

Yes, Sunisa is probably the most complete gymnast ever if you include artistry and technique.

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Anonymous wrote:The skating debate is a lot like the gymnastics debate. I think we've sacrificed so much beauty in gymnastics due to the focus on harder and harder tricks. I think it's why Sunisa Lee became such a fan favorite ... she really combines the artistry and the tricks. (And her bars moves actually remind me a little of Jason Brown's jumping.)

+1. I almost don't like to watch women's Olympic gymnastics now. It stresses me out. And what they are attempting is so difficult they look stressed out and there are tons of mistakes, falls, etc.

agreed

and seriously, NO MORE WOLF TURNS

Yes, I hate the wolf turn!

Yeah there’s no way you can win without them because of their difficulty but they aren’t pretty and they interrupt the flow of a beam or floor routine.

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How do you people watch the propaganda games? The message will not be sent to the IOC until you clowns stop watching these debacles. What a joke, a Chinese Canadian was not allowed to speak in English by the Chinese govt during a post-game press conference:

https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/canada-born-player-chinese-hockey-team-lets-aide-do-talking

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Anonymous wrote:Figure skater Jason Brown is a beautiful skater. Stick to triples. I’d rather watch a well executed, perfect routine with no wobbles, falls, etc. Tired of all the Quadruple stuff that rarely come off smoothly.

I had the exact same thought. He had the best looking routine of the whole night. Just beautiful.

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Anonymous wrote:The skating debate is a lot like the gymnastics debate. I think we've sacrificed so much beauty in gymnastics due to the focus on harder and harder tricks. I think it's why Sunisa Lee became such a fan favorite ... she really combines the artistry and the tricks. (And her bars moves actually remind me a little of Jason Brown's jumping.)

+1. I almost don't like to watch women's Olympic gymnastics now. It stresses me out. And what they are attempting is so difficult they look stressed out and there are tons of mistakes, falls, etc.

agreed

and seriously, NO MORE WOLF TURNS

Yes, I hate the wolf turn!

Yeah there’s no way you can win without them because of their difficulty but they aren’t pretty and they interrupt the flow of a beam or floor routine.

It's funny because my cousin's DD is a high level gymnast. She does a homeschool program so she can spend most of her time training. My DD asked her about her favorite event and she said it was floor. She went on to say how everyone hates beam, vault, and bars in that order. She said even her teammates who were amazing on beam and always scored 9.8 and 9.9 hated and dreaded beam because of the wolf turns.

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LOL

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If you told me this was written by the NY Timed Pitchbot Twitter and not the actual New York Times it would have made more sense. What an odd headline.

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It is interesting that our top skaters are now heavily Asian-American, but I don’t know think that the sport itself is as skewed, right?

I know 3 girls in NoVA that are skaters-2 white, 1 asian. Small sample size, but i don’t think it is as skewed in the sport as a whole.

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^^^sorry, got distracted while typing there and repeated myself

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If you told me this was written by the NY Timed Pitchbot Twitter and not the actual New York Times it would have made more sense. What an odd headline.

+1!

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I really wanted to see the mens combined skiing last night, but fell asleep before the slalom portion. I can’t find the race on YouTube. Anyone know how/where I could watch it? TIA.

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Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that our top skaters are now heavily Asian-American, but I don’t know think that the sport itself is as skewed, right?

I know 3 girls in NoVA that are skaters-2 white, 1 asian. Small sample size, but i don’t think it is as skewed in the sport as a whole.

I...really....don't....care.

Can we watch the beauty of their performances without making everything into racial drama? The NYT could learn a thing or two about shutting up and stop obsessing over race.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wanted to see the mens combined skiing last night, but fell asleep before the slalom portion. I can’t find the race on YouTube. Anyone know how/where I could watch it? TIA.

Not 100 percent sure, but maybe on the Peacock app.