Seriously with the book banning ?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

So is renaissance painting so better cut any Art History out.

But then we’re back to the state of education 200 years ago or at least modern day according to the Taliban. But that’s the goal isn’t it?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

There really isn’t anything wrong with LGBTQIA+ but if you look at a simulated penis (it isn’t clear from the snippets online, but someone upthread who has read the book says that isn’t a real penis) and you find it erotic, you’re telling more about yourself than you are about the book. It’s not about the sex, it’s about the growth as a human and about relationships and you think it’s hot horny times.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

So is renaissance painting so better cut any Art History out.

But then we’re back to the state of education 200 years ago or at least modern day according to the Taliban. But that’s the goal isn’t it?

Correct, that is the goal. They want anyone not heterosexual back in the closet and no one to talk about any of those issues, nor for any of that information to be available in age appropriate ways. They want kids who can’t think critically, active eager consumers who fill the void we sometimes all experience with shopping and dumb social media. This isn’t a secret.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

There really isn’t anything wrong with LGBTQIA+ but if you look at a simulated penis (it isn’t clear from the snippets online, but someone upthread who has read the book says that isn’t a real penis) and you find it erotic, you’re telling more about yourself than you are about the book. It’s not about the sex, it’s about the growth as a human and about relationships and you think it’s hot horny times.

What is a simulated penis?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

There really isn’t anything wrong with LGBTQIA+ but if you look at a simulated penis (it isn’t clear from the snippets online, but someone upthread who has read the book says that isn’t a real penis) and you find it erotic, you’re telling more about yourself than you are about the book. It’s not about the sex, it’s about the growth as a human and about relationships and you think it’s hot horny times.

So that we can all be on the same page, this article has copies of pages from the book. Toward the bottom is the page in question. https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/

The illustration of a minor whose head is between two legs and has a dildo in their mouth. Is that the one about growth and relationships, that is not about sex?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

So is renaissance painting so better cut any Art History out.

But then we’re back to the state of education 200 years ago or at least modern day according to the Taliban. But that’s the goal isn’t it?

I think we can find middle ground between the Taliban and a book with quotes so graphic that DCUMs filters wont allow us to post them.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

So is renaissance painting so better cut any Art History out.

But then we’re back to the state of education 200 years ago or at least modern day according to the Taliban. But that’s the goal isn’t it?

I think we can find middle ground between the Taliban and a book with quotes so graphic that DCUMs filters wont allow us to post them.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

There really isn’t anything wrong with LGBTQIA+ but if you look at a simulated penis (it isn’t clear from the snippets online, but someone upthread who has read the book says that isn’t a real penis) and you find it erotic, you’re telling more about yourself than you are about the book. It’s not about the sex, it’s about the growth as a human and about relationships and you think it’s hot horny times.

So that we can all be on the same page, this article has copies of pages from the book. Toward the bottom is the page in question. https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/

The illustration of a minor whose head is between two legs and has a dildo in their mouth. Is that the one about growth and relationships, that is not about sex?

YES. That one.

It’s a demonstration of consent and mature and healthy relationship behavior in action.

Kids are sexting with each other in middle school these days like it or not and I want to parent in a way that helps my kid navigate the real world. These graphic novels are not any more explicit than what our kids have already encountered so save the pearl clutching.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

So, I'm curious, for parents who don't want Gender Queer in their high school library, how do you monitor your child's media exposure in general? Do they have phones? Internet access? Social media? Do you monitor their internet use? There is so much sexual content everywhere - how do you shelter your teen from our society?

I handle it mostly by talking to them about what they're reading / watching / viewing, and making sure they know our values around that. We live in a society with constant exposure to things I find objectionable, and at some point, it's on me to make sure they know what's right and to trust that I've taught them to make good decisions.

It's immaterial. Sexually explicit material doesnt have a place in school, particularly because schooling is compulsary. If you want your children to read it, then get it for them. It has no redeeming educational value. Its a cultural thing, and many find it morally objectionable. Surely you can understand why similar themes, like "the joy of traditional family structures" would not be acceptable.

It seems you are also against sex ed in schools. Because sex ed is also sexually explicit. And probably with images more photorealist than a simple comic drawing.

I didnt propose that, but if we have to remove sex ed to stop erotica from being put in school libraries, Im ok with it. Your stance not mine.

There really isn’t anything wrong with LGBTQIA+ but if you look at a simulated penis (it isn’t clear from the snippets online, but someone upthread who has read the book says that isn’t a real penis) and you find it erotic, you’re telling more about yourself than you are about the book. It’s not about the sex, it’s about the growth as a human and about relationships and you think it’s hot horny times.

So that we can all be on the same page, this article has copies of pages from the book. Toward the bottom is the page in question. https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/

The illustration of a minor whose head is between two legs and has a dildo in their mouth. Is that the one about growth and relationships, that is not about sex?

YES. That one.

It’s a demonstration of consent and mature and healthy relationship behavior in action.

Kids are sexting with each other in middle school these days like it or not and I want to parent in a way that helps my kid navigate the real world. These graphic novels are not any more explicit than what our kids have already encountered so save the pearl clutching.

Well, many of us do not have our children exposed to depictions and discussions of oral sex. Im disturbed by your desires and want my children left out of it. You can buy them for your kids. I dont want it in schools where my kids and familiies like mine have to contend with this. School should be safe. This is unsafe, esp for kids who have experienced sexual abuse or who are being groomed for sexual abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?

I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.

Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.

Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?

I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.

I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.

NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.

Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?

The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?

Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.

Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?

DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.

We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.

Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.

I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.

How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?

I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.

I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.

First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.

Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?

If it were, that would be a problem right?

Definitely

Okay, here is discussion of the book in a grade 6-12 school library.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/07/28/gender-queer-book-faces-parent-challenge-in-jcps/65384393007/

Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.

When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.

I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.

You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.

Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.

Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.

Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.


I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.

Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.

Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.

I dont care if adults see it. If you purchase it for your child, I would question your judgment, yes. But what I am putting my foot down about is having this material and others like it in schools. Taxpayer money should not be used to purchase and distribute images of children engaged in sex acts. That sounds like a hot take to you, I'm sure, but children should be protected from sexual material that they are not yet ready for. The fact that you believe there is no limitation on the state exposing children to graphic sex causes me to wonder where you draw the line.