School Boundary changes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, send more kids with middle class and rich parents.

Save Herndon.

Funny. I know people whose kids go to Herndon. Haven't heard any complaints.

That's because it isn't the Herndon people complaining.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Right, but it is closer to western GF than Langley and that's the point. Instead of sectioning off a part of GF to Herndon and then relocating some McLean kids to Langley to help relieve overcrowding at McLean, they moved a couple of Spring Hill neighborhoods off Route 7 outside of Tysons from Longfellow - McLean to Cooper - Langley.

Take a look: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf...High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

I don't live in that area and don't know the neighborhoods, but what is illogical about that? Wasn't the purpose to relieve overcrowding at McLean? I doubt that Langley is overcrowded now and, I think that Herndon must be close to capacity. Why would you send more kids there?

Yep. Exactly. The purpose of the boundary change was to alleviate crowding at McLean by sending some McLean students to Langley. Mission accomplished. And the neighborhoods that were moved are Colvin Run, not Spring Hill. Now Colvin Run Elementary is no longer a split feeder - all students go to Langley. Win-win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When schools increase in diversity, it benefits every single child in that school.

Completely incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with making the FARMS kids move to further schools is their attendance will go down. And when things happen like this year (buses sucking), they might not go because a parent can’t just drive.

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I taught poor kids in a bused school. Truancy is a huge problem. Other problems: getting parents to come to the school for conferences; after hour activities for their kids are very difficult; sick kids who need to go home; etc.

They need to go to a school where they feel part of the community. Herndon is a welcoming community to their immigrants. I doubt they want to kick them out of Herndon High.

So bus the rich kids to poor schools

Why?

Schools with a community feel are better for all kids.

Especially if that community has zero farms students. They’re so close, maybe rezoning can get them there

Herndon is not close to Langley!

Right, but it is closer to western GF than Langley and that's the point. Instead of sectioning off a part of GF to Herndon and then relocating some McLean kids to Langley to help relieve overcrowding at McLean, they moved a couple of Spring Hill neighborhoods off Route 7 outside of Tysons from Longfellow - McLean to Cooper - Langley.

Take a look: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY%202021-22%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

We were all secretly hoping that yet another thread would devolve into complaining about Great Falls and Langley.

Seriously. Amazing that these people can't talk about any other school pyramid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Isn't equity better defined as equality of opportunity, irrespective of the socioeconomic status of student population?

What you are talking about is equality. Equality under the law, equality in opportunity.

Equity means using the power of government (via threat of imprisonment/violence) to force equal outcomes. The method they will use to do this is by taking from the successful and giving to the unsuccessful. We don't need to think too hard to see what the outcome will be - look no further than farms in South Africa, manufacturing in Venezuela, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with making the FARMS kids move to further schools is their attendance will go down. And when things happen like this year (buses sucking), they might not go because a parent can’t just drive.

+1

I taught poor kids in a bused school. Truancy is a huge problem. Other problems: getting parents to come to the school for conferences; after hour activities for their kids are very difficult; sick kids who need to go home; etc.

They need to go to a school where they feel part of the community. Herndon is a welcoming community to their immigrants. I doubt they want to kick them out of Herndon High.

So bus the rich kids to poor schools

Why?

Schools with a community feel are better for all kids.

Especially if that community has zero farms students. They’re so close, maybe rezoning can get them there

Herndon is not close to Langley!

Right, but it is closer to western GF than Langley and that's the point. Instead of sectioning off a part of GF to Herndon and then relocating some McLean kids to Langley to help relieve overcrowding at McLean, they moved a couple of Spring Hill neighborhoods off Route 7 outside of Tysons from Longfellow - McLean to Cooper - Langley.

Take a look: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY%202021-22%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

We were all secretly hoping that yet another thread would devolve into complaining about Great Falls and Langley.

There is this Herndon parent who is always complaining about this. I think this Herndon parent should move. I don’t know what s/he thinks would magically happen at Herndon if the very far west part of GF was rezoned to Herndon. Yes, the farthest part of the Langley boundary is close to Herndon. It isn’t like Herndon kids will be rezoned to Langley. Langley is surrounded by expensive housing. Even if it was rezoned, it would take from other parts of mclean or Vienna/Tysons and not Herndon.

DP. I actually don't think it's a Herndon parent who constantly brings this up. I think it's a disgruntled McLean mom who can't get over the recent McLean/Langley boundary change, is pissed off beyond belief that apartments from Tysons weren't assigned to Langley, and is going to spend every day until she draws her last breath making sure those GF people pay. I only hope she has a good therapist on speed dial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, send more kids with middle class and rich parents.

Save Herndon.

Save Herndon from what? From higher per-student spending than Langley?

How is sending kids with middle-class and rich parents going to help kids from poor parents? Are the middle-class kids supposed to tutor the poor kids? Follow them home, make sure they do their homework, feed them breakfast? Keep them out of gangs? Teach them English?

All your plan will accomplish is (1) artificially raising student test scores at Herndon and lowering them elsewhere, and (2) drastically lowering the property values of homes that get shuffled to Herndon. Poor students will not fare any better (and middle-class students will fare worse, as the teachers are incentivized to focus on the poor kids rather than the average/above average ones) and houses zoned for Herndon won't increase in value.

Great plan, comrade.

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Yes, but it will *FEEL* so good to stick it to those "rich" kids! /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The racism and classism in this thread is just disgusting. Unless you are advocating for a boundary that will benefit someone other than your kids and your property values, just stop talking. When schools increase in diversity, it benefits every single child in that school.

What school does your child attend?

[Anonymous]

Western Langley families would be thrilled to go to Herndon HS now that the entire FB team has to be quarantined.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/education/fairfax-county-parents-push-classroom-streaming-covid-cases-herndon-high-school-football-team-isolate/65-04bf494d-1792-4da2-90d0-af2cc493cf4d

[Anonymous]

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Right, but it is closer to western GF than Langley and that's the point. Instead of sectioning off a part of GF to Herndon and then relocating some McLean kids to Langley to help relieve overcrowding at McLean, they moved a couple of Spring Hill neighborhoods off Route 7 outside of Tysons from Longfellow - McLean to Cooper - Langley.

Take a look: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf...High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

I don't live in that area and don't know the neighborhoods, but what is illogical about that? Wasn't the purpose to relieve overcrowding at McLean? I doubt that Langley is overcrowded now and, I think that Herndon must be close to capacity. Why would you send more kids there?

Yep. Exactly. The purpose of the boundary change was to alleviate crowding at McLean by sending some McLean students to Langley. Mission accomplished. [b]And the neighborhoods that were moved are Colvin Run, not Spring Hill. Now Colvin Run Elementary is no longer a split feeder - all students go to Langley. Win-win.

As a SH parent I can tell you that’s not accurate. Maybe Colvin Run shares the change but SH kids come from a couple of those neighborhoods and are now zoned for Cooper-Langley.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, send more kids with middle class and rich parents.

Save Herndon.

Save Herndon from what? From higher per-student spending than Langley?

How is sending kids with middle-class and rich parents going to help kids from poor parents? Are the middle-class kids supposed to tutor the poor kids? Follow them home, make sure they do their homework, feed them breakfast? Keep them out of gangs? Teach them English?

All your plan will accomplish is (1) artificially raising student test scores at Herndon and lowering them elsewhere, and (2) drastically lowering the property values of homes that get shuffled to Herndon. Poor students will not fare any better (and middle-class students will fare worse, as the teachers are incentivized to focus on the poor kids rather than the average/above average ones) and houses zoned for Herndon won't increase in value.

Great plan, comrade.

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Yes, but it will *FEEL* so good to stick it to those "rich" kids! /s

What is it with this Langley parent who constantly claims that people want to “stick it” to Langley (her exact words, repeated ad nauseum) when they merely suggest Langley shouldn’t be automatically excluded from the potential scope of future boundary adjustments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, send more kids with middle class and rich parents.

Save Herndon.

Save Herndon from what? From higher per-student spending than Langley?

How is sending kids with middle-class and rich parents going to help kids from poor parents? Are the middle-class kids supposed to tutor the poor kids? Follow them home, make sure they do their homework, feed them breakfast? Keep them out of gangs? Teach them English?

All your plan will accomplish is (1) artificially raising student test scores at Herndon and lowering them elsewhere, and (2) drastically lowering the property values of homes that get shuffled to Herndon. Poor students will not fare any better (and middle-class students will fare worse, as the teachers are incentivized to focus on the poor kids rather than the average/above average ones) and houses zoned for Herndon won't increase in value.

Great plan, comrade.

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Yes, but it will *FEEL* so good to stick it to those "rich" kids! /s

What is it with this Langley parent who constantly claims that people want to “stick it” to Langley (her exact words, repeated ad nauseum) when they merely suggest Langley shouldn’t be automatically excluded from the potential scope of future boundary adjustments?

Wow. I wonder why several posters - not just one, btw - would get this (correct) impression? Could it be because that's exactly what some of you continue to harp on? And do we need to remind you (again) that Langley isn't even mentioned in the CIP. Funny how some of you are determined to make it a thing when it's just... not.

[Anonymous]

How could Langley not be mentioned in the CIP? The CIP covers every school in the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When schools increase in diversity, it benefits every single child in that school.

Completely incorrect.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How could Langley not be mentioned in the CIP? The CIP covers every school in the county.

From the CIP:

“The anticipation of the completion of the Silver Line Metro has already spurred higher density residential growth along that corridor which may result in an increase in students within FCPS.

The FY 2022-26 CIP continues to include the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county to provide capacity relief for high schools in the Centreville, Chantilly, Herndon, Oakton, South Lakes, and Westfield areas.”