Deal ipl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

This may be what they plan for the fall. It is harder to do in the last 10 weeks of school.

They also have to get all the kids into the building to do this. My DD got to Deal at 8:30 Monday morning and was barely in her seat on time at 9:35 and I think there were about 150 kids going into the building, there were a lot of kids behind her in line. They need to get efficient on multiple fronts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

Not worth it AT ALL. Throwing 1500 kids’ schedules into chaos for 10 weeks to meet the demands of a vanishingly small sliver of pissed-off parents? Come on.

[Anonymous]

We are down 8 weeks.

RIP school year 20-21

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

+1. Definitely worth it. Plus I'm afraid that if we don't truly reopen Deal for actual IPL then we're in for more of the same crap in the Fall, especially given that the Principal didn't even want to reopen at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

+1. Definitely worth it. Plus I'm afraid that if we don't truly reopen Deal for actual IPL then we're in for more of the same crap in the Fall, especially given that the Principal didn't even want to reopen at all.

Yeah. Giving kids 2 more normal months is worth it.

[Anonymous]

I am a fan of Principal Neal. I think her job is incredibly hard and she does not receive the resources support to do it.

She operates a school that is over crowded with over 1600 students who are going through puberty.

That said - I think she was misguided in her planning and approach. A year ago her messages were that she needed to create a plan such that that it supported 100% of the students. She frequently mentioned the students who live in SE who are a part of the school community and the plan needs to support them the same way that it supports the 95% if the student body with live within the school boundary lines.

Also - when the school created schedules in the beginning of the school year, the process appears to be done the same way it had always been done.

Yes - hindsight is 20/20. But these planning assumptions did not change and should have been challenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a fan of Principal Neal. I think her job is incredibly hard and she does not receive the resources support to do it.

She operates a school that is over crowded with over 1600 students who are going through puberty.

That said - I think she was misguided in her planning and approach. A year ago her messages were that she needed to create a plan such that that it supported 100% of the students. She frequently mentioned the students who live in SE who are a part of the school community and the plan needs to support them the same way that it supports the 95% if the student body with live within the school boundary lines.

Also - when the school created schedules in the beginning of the school year, the process appears to be done the same way it had always been done.

Yes - hindsight is 20/20. But these planning assumptions did not change and should have been challenged.

+1

I think the scheduling at the beginning of the year was the biggest downfall for several schools getting back in person (I have a kid in MS and HS). Both schools did scheduling as they would for regular in person, and trying to rearrange that during the pandemic proved too difficult, so very little in person learning at either school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

This may be what they plan for the fall. It is harder to do in the last 10 weeks of school.

They also have to get all the kids into the building to do this. My DD got to Deal at 8:30 Monday morning and was barely in her seat on time at 9:35 and I think there were about 150 kids going into the building, there were a lot of kids behind her in line. They need to get efficient on multiple fronts.

Thank you for bringing this up because I think it is going to be a really big issue in the fall, even if schools open full time in person. It takes a long time to check the temperature of each kid, then go through a metal detector and whatever other health procedures will be in place. I imagine kids getting into class at 10 am if they show up to school at 8;45 and have to wait in line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

This may be what they plan for the fall. It is harder to do in the last 10 weeks of school.

They also have to get all the kids into the building to do this. My DD got to Deal at 8:30 Monday morning and was barely in her seat on time at 9:35 and I think there were about 150 kids going into the building, there were a lot of kids behind her in line. They need to get efficient on multiple fronts.

Thank you for bringing this up because I think it is going to be a really big issue in the fall, even if schools open full time in person. It takes a long time to check the temperature of each kid, then go through a metal detector and whatever other health procedures will be in place. I imagine kids getting into class at 10 am if they show up to school at 8;45 and have to wait in line.

This is ridiculous reason not to try to begin to implement procedures now for the fall. All of this is systems and planning, leadership needs to be equipped to improve processes and streamline. How about staggered arrivals times? And dismissal to ensure full day of learning? Even 15 minutes makes a huge difference. There's a start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But every middle school is opening under the same model as Deal due to cohorting restrictions (e.g. students cannot switch classes). Only elementary schools have leeway to return students on a more full time basis.

Deal already has a team model. Kids within an English class have the same history and science teachers. They could move as groups to see at least those 3 teachers, but Neal isn’t doing it. Math and language are trickier because of levels.

So if the kids are already a group and the teachers have been given priority for vaccines, there's not reason they can't be getting in person instruction with up to 4 or so teachers rotating in.

They would need to rearrange all the kid's schedules to make this work, there are roughly 100 kids per team, and also separate out the kids with different math instruction. Then PE/Music and language would need to be done online.

Worth it I think. The kids need each other.

This may be what they plan for the fall. It is harder to do in the last 10 weeks of school.

They also have to get all the kids into the building to do this. My DD got to Deal at 8:30 Monday morning and was barely in her seat on time at 9:35 and I think there were about 150 kids going into the building, there were a lot of kids behind her in line. They need to get efficient on multiple fronts.

Thank you for bringing this up because I think it is going to be a really big issue in the fall, even if schools open full time in person. It takes a long time to check the temperature of each kid, then go through a metal detector and whatever other health procedures will be in place. I imagine kids getting into class at 10 am if they show up to school at 8;45 and have to wait in line.

This is ridiculous reason not to try to begin to implement procedures now for the fall. All of this is systems and planning, leadership needs to be equipped to improve processes and streamline. How about staggered arrivals times? And dismissal to ensure full day of learning? Even 15 minutes makes a huge difference. There's a start.

+1000

The ironic thing is, there are hundreds if not thousands of professionals in this area - probably many among the parent community at Deal - who are trained in this sort of thing. Conference planners, big event people etc. do this kind of thing all the time. It's harder than it looks to make it look seamless - surprise, Principal Neal - but if real logistics people are involved, as opposed to public school bureaucrats, it can be done effeciently, and fairly simply.

[Anonymous]

Sorry to the younger families but i thank god every day that this is our last year of Deal. COVID has really brought to light the current weaknesses of the school. The school flourished under Principals Kim and Albright because they put students first. Then it got way too big and Principal Neal made a specific policy choice to put teachers first. It first showed up with small stuff like reduced after school offerings and cutting popular clubs like robotics. Now its really come to a head with COVID and the refusal to offer any real in person instruction. I sure hope the teachers are happy and feeling appreciated because the families and students sure don’t.

Students only see their teachers twice a week and we keep having increasing incidences of teachers not showing up for class. Sometimes the family receives advanced notice and its an excused absence. Other times there’s just no teacher. And of course, no one is monitoring teacher attendance. I still have no understanding why they need planning time on Wednesday’s since there are at least four 45 minute periods every day of “ascynchronous instruction” which is a free period for the teacher.

I’m still so angry that I’m somehow happy that my student now comes to school once a week for 2 periods of video instruction. My expectations were so high for the school years ago when we started there. Now they are so low that’s this measly offering is an improvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to the younger families but i thank god every day that this is our last year of Deal. COVID has really brought to light the current weaknesses of the school. The school flourished under Principals Kim and Albright because they put students first. Then it got way too big and Principal Neal made a specific policy choice to put teachers first. It first showed up with small stuff like reduced after school offerings and cutting popular clubs like robotics. Now its really come to a head with COVID and the refusal to offer any real in person instruction. I sure hope the teachers are happy and feeling appreciated because the families and students sure don’t.

Students only see their teachers twice a week and we keep having increasing incidences of teachers not showing up for class. Sometimes the family receives advanced notice and its an excused absence. Other times there’s just no teacher. And of course, no one is monitoring teacher attendance. I still have no understanding why they need planning time on Wednesday’s since there are at least four 45 minute periods every day of “ascynchronous instruction” which is a free period for the teacher.

I’m still so angry that I’m somehow happy that my student now comes to school once a week for 2 periods of video instruction. My expectations were so high for the school years ago when we started there. Now they are so low that’s this measly offering is an improvement.

Report this to AP Rottman. I send him a one liner email every time it happens. There's no excuse for a teacher to just "not show up". They can call-in absent or send an email in advance like every other working professional. He is grateful to know each and every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to the younger families but i thank god every day that this is our last year of Deal. COVID has really brought to light the current weaknesses of the school. The school flourished under Principals Kim and Albright because they put students first. Then it got way too big and Principal Neal made a specific policy choice to put teachers first. It first showed up with small stuff like reduced after school offerings and cutting popular clubs like robotics. Now its really come to a head with COVID and the refusal to offer any real in person instruction. I sure hope the teachers are happy and feeling appreciated because the families and students sure don’t.

Students only see their teachers twice a week and we keep having increasing incidences of teachers not showing up for class. Sometimes the family receives advanced notice and its an excused absence. Other times there’s just no teacher. And of course, no one is monitoring teacher attendance. I still have no understanding why they need planning time on Wednesday’s since there are at least four 45 minute periods every day of “ascynchronous instruction” which is a free period for the teacher.

I’m still so angry that I’m somehow happy that my student now comes to school once a week for 2 periods of video instruction. My expectations were so high for the school years ago when we started there. Now they are so low that’s this measly offering is an improvement.

Report this to AP Rottman. I send him a one liner email every time it happens. There's no excuse for a teacher to just "not show up". They can call-in absent or send an email in advance like every other working professional. He is grateful to know each and every time.

It’s not my job to monitor teacher attendance and I don’t typically know at the time. My 8th grader is a fully independent student and we do our best to not get in the middle of it. so, no, I’m not going to start doing the school’s job. If the school insists on sticking with distanced learning it needs to figure out a way to monitor all of its teachers attendance and performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to the younger families but i thank god every day that this is our last year of Deal. COVID has really brought to light the current weaknesses of the school. The school flourished under Principals Kim and Albright because they put students first. Then it got way too big and Principal Neal made a specific policy choice to put teachers first. It first showed up with small stuff like reduced after school offerings and cutting popular clubs like robotics. Now its really come to a head with COVID and the refusal to offer any real in person instruction. I sure hope the teachers are happy and feeling appreciated because the families and students sure don’t.

Students only see their teachers twice a week and we keep having increasing incidences of teachers not showing up for class. Sometimes the family receives advanced notice and its an excused absence. Other times there’s just no teacher. And of course, no one is monitoring teacher attendance. I still have no understanding why they need planning time on Wednesday’s since there are at least four 45 minute periods every day of “ascynchronous instruction” which is a free period for the teacher.

I’m still so angry that I’m somehow happy that my student now comes to school once a week for 2 periods of video instruction. My expectations were so high for the school years ago when we started there. Now they are so low that’s this measly offering is an improvement.

As a non 8th grade Deal teacher I have about 1/2 of my kids stay through all 30 (not 45) min of “asynchronous” every single class. I agree that we should be teaching live class on Wednesdays.

As for the clubs, Albright and Kim required us to host them unpaid.