With teachers vaccinated, why are we still talking about hybrid, and not a full return to school?

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).

Then those kids can stay virtual. I don't have those concerns for my children.

This is what all of the UMC families I know are saying. They've been with their kids for almost an entire year. They are done!

What does UMC stand for?

It stands for rich.

Lower class and middle class families are the ones who have born the brunt of this pandemic. We're the ones scared for our loved ones, because we live together, and because many of us have already experienced loss. We're also the ones aware that our kids will be potential spreaders because we're exposed at work.

But by all means, let's come up with a plan that prioritizes rich kids, who have private school options and large houses with yards to play in. Because they're done.

If you have chosen virtual, it really doesn't affect you whether or not the in person kids go more than 2 days.

Except that it does, because a teacher who is distracted by kids in person, isn't going to do nearly as well by the kids who are virtual. And community spread disproportionately impacts those families who have people working at the grocery store, or as hospital transporters, or driving a bus.

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For me the idea is that I don't want teachers, who are more susceptible to the virus, to die. But I'd also prefer if kids kept apart from one another and stayed as safe as possible so that unsymptomatic kids who have Covid do not transmit the disease overmuch to one another and to their own households, spreading the disease even more.

This seems very simple to me, not sure what you're not understanding. We shouldn't have all kids back at school right away or the distance and safety regs will absolutely not be in force and transmission rates will increase.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).

Then those kids can stay virtual. I don't have those concerns for my children.

This is what all of the UMC families I know are saying. They've been with their kids for almost an entire year. They are done!

EVERYONE has been home with their kids for almost a year. Everyone is ready for this stupid virus to go away so that kids can safely be in school, and so that their loved ones will stop dying.

I’m not UMC, but my family has been very very fortunate the past year. I’m not ready for my actions or my selfishness to contribute to any more spread in communities that have been harder hit.

Actually, EVERYONE hasn’t.

—Signed, healthcare worker who has lost a family member (and many patients) to Covid, and thinks schools can open without contributing to spread.

Fortunately, I know that it’s not “selfishness” that spreads viral illness, no matter how much we all love that narrative.

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The kids need to be protected too.

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Anonymous wrote:The same people who kept arguing that the CDC says opening schools is safe with mitigation are now demanding that schools be open without regard to CDC mitigation. They are not interested in safety. They just want their kids in school. I am done listening the the open schools advocates around here. They aren’t rational. And, I support opening with recommended mitigation.

I completely agree.

Bingo. They never GAF about safety.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids need to be protected too.

Look up how many Covid deaths are in kids under 18. I’ll wait.

They need more protection from the flu and school shootings and car accidents and drownings than Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).

Then those kids can stay virtual. I don't have those concerns for my children.

This is what all of the UMC families I know are saying. They've been with their kids for almost an entire year. They are done!

What does UMC stand for?

It stands for rich.

Lower class and middle class families are the ones who have born the brunt of this pandemic. We're the ones scared for our loved ones, because we live together, and because many of us have already experienced loss. We're also the ones aware that our kids will be potential spreaders because we're exposed at work.

But by all means, let's come up with a plan that prioritizes rich kids, who have private school options and large houses with yards to play in. Because they're done.

DP. So then, you think ALL kids should remain virtual because you want YOUR kids to? Um, no. Feel free to keep your kids DL. The rest of us do not have to.

I believe this attitude among the well off can be summarized as, "I've got mine, f*ck you."

What a great country.

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Anonymous wrote:For me the idea is that I don't want teachers, who are more susceptible to the virus, to die. But I'd also prefer if kids kept apart from one another and stayed as safe as possible so that unsymptomatic kids who have Covid do not transmit the disease overmuch to one another and to their own households, spreading the disease even more.

This seems very simple to me, not sure what you're not understanding. We shouldn't have all kids back at school right away or the distance and safety regs will absolutely not be in force and transmission rates will increase.

Exactly this. I would prefer not to catch COVID from my asymptomatic (or symptomatic but unlikely to be seriously ill) teenager. This is why distancing and masks will still be necessary. What is it that people don't understand about this?

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Anonymous wrote:For me the idea is that I don't want teachers, who are more susceptible to the virus, to die. But I'd also prefer if kids kept apart from one another and stayed as safe as possible so that unsymptomatic kids who have Covid do not transmit the disease overmuch to one another and to their own households, spreading the disease even more.

This seems very simple to me, not sure what you're not understanding. We shouldn't have all kids back at school right away or the distance and safety regs will absolutely not be in force and transmission rates will increase.

Exactly this. I would prefer not to catch COVID from my asymptomatic (or symptomatic but unlikely to be seriously ill) teenager. This is why distancing and masks will still be necessary. What is it that people don't understand about this?

You won’t have to worry about that come fall when everyone has the vaccine, including you and quite possibly your teen, and when school SHOULD BE back full time.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).

Then those kids can stay virtual. I don't have those concerns for my children.

This is what all of the UMC families I know are saying. They've been with their kids for almost an entire year. They are done!

EVERYONE has been home with their kids for almost a year. Everyone is ready for this stupid virus to go away so that kids can safely be in school, and so that their loved ones will stop dying.

I’m not UMC, but my family has been very very fortunate the past year. I’m not ready for my actions or my selfishness to contribute to any more spread in communities that have been harder hit.

Actually, EVERYONE hasn’t.

—Signed, healthcare worker who has lost a family member (and many patients) to Covid, and thinks schools can open without contributing to spread.

Fortunately, I know that it’s not “selfishness” that spreads viral illness, no matter how much we all love that narrative.

Do you support what this thread is about, which is full opening with no distancing and cohorting? Or do you support following the CDC guidelines?

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).

Then those kids can stay virtual. I don't have those concerns for my children.

This is what all of the UMC families I know are saying. They've been with their kids for almost an entire year. They are done!

EVERYONE has been home with their kids for almost a year. Everyone is ready for this stupid virus to go away so that kids can safely be in school, and so that their loved ones will stop dying.

I’m not UMC, but my family has been very very fortunate the past year. I’m not ready for my actions or my selfishness to contribute to any more spread in communities that have been harder hit.

Actually, EVERYONE hasn’t.

—Signed, healthcare worker who has lost a family member (and many patients) to Covid, and thinks schools can open without contributing to spread.

Fortunately, I know that it’s not “selfishness” that spreads viral illness, no matter how much we all love that narrative.

Do you support what this thread is about, which is full opening with no distancing and cohorting? Or do you support following the CDC guidelines?

DP, but you can offer school 4/5 days a week in-person with distancing and cohorting for ES. They do not have to be in opposition.

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Good gracious even VDOE in their guidance from summer talks about full time for K-3 even at the most restrictive school opening phases for Virginia by using all available space and staff. We’ve known ways to tackle this, we just haven’t.

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Anonymous wrote:The same people who kept arguing that the CDC says opening schools is safe with mitigation are now demanding that schools be open without regard to CDC mitigation. They are not interested in safety. They just want their kids in school. I am done listening the the open schools advocates around here. They aren’t rational. And, I support opening with recommended mitigation.

They assumed it was unvaccinated teachers who were keeping them closed.

The rest of the country and most of the world has its schools open. Please tell me why the DMV is different. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we can’t have nice things. The CDC and Fauci have told us why we can’t just get vaccinated and stop following the guidance. It’s been all over the news.

And then they started walking it back and saying, "oh wait, when you're vaccinated you probably WON'T be a silent COVID spreader."

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/dr-anthony-fauci-answers-educator-questions-about-covid-19

"We will be doing quantitative studies of this and what I believe we will see is that the level of virus in people who were vaccinated but are infected without symptoms will be very low and it will be unlikely that they can transmit this disease. But until we know that, wear a mask. "

I read that as, "we don't know for sure, but I think we're going to soon know"

Finally! There are so many negative voices out there just declaring that the vaccines don’t stop transmission despite indications that they do! Why are people so quick to jump to negative conclusions.

Fauci needs to be screaming this from the rooftops. We need to hang on a little longer, but they will soon know.

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Anonymous wrote:It is gong to be a while before all the teachers are able to be fully vaccinated.

In FCPS, at least, isn't this supposed to be the last week of first doses? So 5 weeks from Friday (3 weeks between doses plus 2 days for everything to take effect, which is considered the maximum possibly needed) FCPS teachers should largely be good to go.

No. People had first doses get rescheduled for next weekend.