When someone asks for a burdensome favor and upon offense, says was "I was just asking the question"

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed elsewhere:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/05/askers-vs-guessers/340891/

"This is a classic case of Ask Culture meets Guess Culture. In some families, you grow up with the expectation that it's OK to ask for anything at all, but you gotta realize you might get no for an answer. This is Ask Culture.

In Guess Culture, you avoid putting a request into words unless you're pretty sure the answer will be yes. Guess Culture depends on a tight net of shared expectations. A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won't even have to make the request directly; you'll get an offer. Even then, the offer may be genuine or pro forma; it takes yet more skill and delicacy to discern whether you should accept."

Sounds like you are a Guess Culture type who was asked by an Ask Culture type.




It's clear which one is healthier. Who in the hell has time for guess culture?!

So interesting. I’ve always been aware of a difference btw myself and spouse that may fall along these lines. In my family we only ask for something if we really actually need help, whereas he is constantly asking me to do small inconsequential things. I find it really hard to say no to a direct request, and end up feeling taken advantage of.


Girl that is crazy. I dated an ex who was like you- he also never told me wht was wrong, but would just sulk around, I guess in the hopes that I would somehow psychically intuit it? Even when I'd directly ask him, he'd assure me things were fine, and then mope around endlessly, again, in the vain hopes I would magically know. It was bizarre. Anyway, I dumped him. Who on earth has time for these games?! It's crazy!


Guess culture is fascinating. I think it can often just be manipulative. I get frustrated when.... little hints are laid in hopes the hinter will not have to ask. Then, when an offer is made the reply “oh really? Really? Gosh, that’s so kind of you.” and then telling people “I am so lucky. I don’t know how it happened.”

It was calculated. I saw a friend do this .... and then met his mom and was like oh my exact same approach! The awesome apartment friend sub-letted came after friend spent almost six months saying how small, loud current apt was and lease is up soon and what are you gonna do..... with a pivot to targeted compliments of another friend’s larger apartment and saying things like “yeah, you should totally move to Paris to pursue your dreams...... then “really, we can sublet from you?” the cycle started again. Angling for a larger place.

It’s was like a reality TV game show or big brother or survivor. He and his mom and maybe even the sister would win.


Whether people ask for what they want, or hint/"manipulate," everyone pursues their own agenda and is ultimately out for themselves. Even the goody goody types who are actually in pursuit of praise and Being a Good Person. Think about it.
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Anonymous wrote:Where did you grow up OP? Regionally speaking. I have a theory about this


Not OP, but I would be interested in hearing your theory.

I was born and raised in the Midwest, in more of a guess culture, and one of the members of my residency class was from NYC. We were always butting heads over this, and it was hard to get along.
The best example that I can think of was that I was scheduled to work until 8am the day before my wedding. I put some feelers out and got some responses that it would be reasonable to ask someone to switch with me. By the time I went to ask, I was confident of a “yes.”
I looked at the schedule, NYC lady was the only one in my class who could do it. I asked, and she said “no.” I was pissed. She didn’t understand what I was upset about, and I felt like she had violated the social contract.

Later, we were in a fellowship together, and I was chief. One of my responsibilities was making the schedule. This same woman was constantly asking for special consideration in the schedule. It kind of blew my mind. You want me to make sure that you have Christmas off after you peed on my wedding day? Really?

But I think I understand better now. She felt that there was no harm in asking, and assumed everyone felt that way. So when I asked her, she felt free to say no. And when she asked me for Christmas off or every Tuesday off or whatever random thing, she felt that I could just say no if I wanted to give the holiday to someone else or I didn’t feel like reworking the schedule around he special Tuesday thing.
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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed elsewhere:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/05/askers-vs-guessers/340891/

"This is a classic case of Ask Culture meets Guess Culture. In some families, you grow up with the expectation that it's OK to ask for anything at all, but you gotta realize you might get no for an answer. This is Ask Culture.

In Guess Culture, you avoid putting a request into words unless you're pretty sure the answer will be yes. Guess Culture depends on a tight net of shared expectations. A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won't even have to make the request directly; you'll get an offer. Even then, the offer may be genuine or pro forma; it takes yet more skill and delicacy to discern whether you should accept."

Sounds like you are a Guess Culture type who was asked by an Ask Culture type.




It's clear which one is healthier. Who in the hell has time for guess culture?!

So interesting. I’ve always been aware of a difference btw myself and spouse that may fall along these lines. In my family we only ask for something if we really actually need help, whereas he is constantly asking me to do small inconsequential things. I find it really hard to say no to a direct request, and end up feeling taken advantage of.


Girl that is crazy. I dated an ex who was like you- he also never told me wht was wrong, but would just sulk around, I guess in the hopes that I would somehow psychically intuit it? Even when I'd directly ask him, he'd assure me things were fine, and then mope around endlessly, again, in the vain hopes I would magically know. It was bizarre. Anyway, I dumped him. Who on earth has time for these games?! It's crazy!


Guess culture is fascinating. I think it can often just be manipulative. I get frustrated when.... little hints are laid in hopes the hinter will not have to ask. Then, when an offer is made the reply “oh really? Really? Gosh, that’s so kind of you.” and then telling people “I am so lucky. I don’t know how it happened.”

It was calculated. I saw a friend do this .... and then met his mom and was like oh my exact same approach! The awesome apartment friend sub-letted came after friend spent almost six months saying how small, loud current apt was and lease is up soon and what are you gonna do..... with a pivot to targeted compliments of another friend’s larger apartment and saying things like “yeah, you should totally move to Paris to pursue your dreams...... then “really, we can sublet from you?” the cycle started again. Angling for a larger place.

It’s was like a reality TV game show or big brother or survivor. He and his mom and maybe even the sister would win.


Whether people ask for what they want, or hint/"manipulate," everyone pursues their own agenda and is ultimately out for themselves. Even the goody goody types who are actually in pursuit of praise and Being a Good Person. Think about it.


Yes and I find it really off putting, sneak and creepy, when someone is behaving this way. Actually one of my good friends is going through a hard time and straight up asked me for some money recently. I said no that I was on a tight budget and didn't have it. He was like "Ok, just thought I'd ask" and we considered our happy conversation. Neither he was offended nor was I. A week later things were better financially for me and I called him to let him know I could give him the money and got his info for where to send it. I sent it, he thanked me, we continued our convo.

This is basic stuff that adults should be able to do. I cant stand people who either get angry when someone gives an honest answer (me telling him no regarding the money) or get angry at someone for asking (him asking me for the money). It's a REQUEST, not a demand- grow a pair of balls and some emotional maturity and figure it out!
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Anonymous wrote:What is the ask, OP?

If it's truly outrageous, it's actually a relief b/c it completely absolves me of any guilty feelings.

When my father was dying, we moved a lot of obstacles to get his siblings who lived in another part of the world to come for a last visit. My father had been the oldest and most successful, and did a lot to support his extended family over the years and saw to it that they were all on solid financial ground. His sister, my aunt, who's always selfish and ignorant, wanted to wring one last favor out of him. She tried with him, but he was too tired to engage. Then she moved onto me and tried to get me to influence him. It was so blatantly greedy and bad that I didn't even get very angry, much less offended. I just ignored her request and mentally wrote her off. He passed away in peace 2 weeks after they left and I have no intention of seeing her again.


I’m so sorry for your loss, PP.
What was the thing your aunt wanted? She sounds very selfish.
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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed elsewhere:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/05/askers-vs-guessers/340891/

"This is a classic case of Ask Culture meets Guess Culture. In some families, you grow up with the expectation that it's OK to ask for anything at all, but you gotta realize you might get no for an answer. This is Ask Culture.

In Guess Culture, you avoid putting a request into words unless you're pretty sure the answer will be yes. Guess Culture depends on a tight net of shared expectations. A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won't even have to make the request directly; you'll get an offer. Even then, the offer may be genuine or pro forma; it takes yet more skill and delicacy to discern whether you should accept."

Sounds like you are a Guess Culture type who was asked by an Ask Culture type.




It's clear which one is healthier. Who in the hell has time for guess culture?!

So interesting. I’ve always been aware of a difference btw myself and spouse that may fall along these lines. In my family we only ask for something if we really actually need help, whereas he is constantly asking me to do small inconsequential things. I find it really hard to say no to a direct request, and end up feeling taken advantage of.


Girl that is crazy. I dated an ex who was like you- he also never told me wht was wrong, but would just sulk around, I guess in the hopes that I would somehow psychically intuit it? Even when I'd directly ask him, he'd assure me things were fine, and then mope around endlessly, again, in the vain hopes I would magically know. It was bizarre. Anyway, I dumped him. Who on earth has time for these games?! It's crazy!


Guess culture is fascinating. I think it can often just be manipulative. I get frustrated when.... little hints are laid in hopes the hinter will not have to ask. Then, when an offer is made the reply “oh really? Really? Gosh, that’s so kind of you.” and then telling people “I am so lucky. I don’t know how it happened.”

It was calculated. I saw a friend do this .... and then met his mom and was like oh my exact same approach! The awesome apartment friend sub-letted came after friend spent almost six months saying how small, loud current apt was and lease is up soon and what are you gonna do..... with a pivot to targeted compliments of another friend’s larger apartment and saying things like “yeah, you should totally move to Paris to pursue your dreams...... then “really, we can sublet from you?” the cycle started again. Angling for a larger place.

It’s was like a reality TV game show or big brother or survivor. He and his mom and maybe even the sister would win.


Whether people ask for what they want, or hint/"manipulate," everyone pursues their own agenda and is ultimately out for themselves. Even the goody goody types who are actually in pursuit of praise and Being a Good Person. Think about it.


Yes and I find it really off putting, sneak and creepy, when someone is behaving this way. Actually one of my good friends is going through a hard time and straight up asked me for some money recently. I said no that I was on a tight budget and didn't have it. He was like "Ok, just thought I'd ask" and we considered our happy conversation. Neither he was offended nor was I. A week later things were better financially for me and I called him to let him know I could give him the money and got his info for where to send it. I sent it, he thanked me, we continued our convo.

This is basic stuff that adults should be able to do. I cant stand people who either get angry when someone gives an honest answer (me telling him no regarding the money) or get angry at someone for asking (him asking me for the money). It's a REQUEST, not a demand- grow a pair of balls and some emotional maturity and figure it out!


It only feels manipulative if you don't understand it. I see it as social niceties that circumvent difficult conversations.
If he had put out a couple of feelers about you loaning him money, you would have just turned him down then. I think it's the clash that is the problem.

Guess culture:
Him: "We are having a hard time making ends meet since Larla lost her job."
You: "I feel you. We have been struggling too."
conversation moves on.



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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed elsewhere:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/05/askers-vs-guessers/340891/

"This is a classic case of Ask Culture meets Guess Culture. In some families, you grow up with the expectation that it's OK to ask for anything at all, but you gotta realize you might get no for an answer. This is Ask Culture.

In Guess Culture, you avoid putting a request into words unless you're pretty sure the answer will be yes. Guess Culture depends on a tight net of shared expectations. A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won't even have to make the request directly; you'll get an offer. Even then, the offer may be genuine or pro forma; it takes yet more skill and delicacy to discern whether you should accept."

Sounds like you are a Guess Culture type who was asked by an Ask Culture type.




It's clear which one is healthier. Who in the hell has time for guess culture?!

So interesting. I’ve always been aware of a difference btw myself and spouse that may fall along these lines. In my family we only ask for something if we really actually need help, whereas he is constantly asking me to do small inconsequential things. I find it really hard to say no to a direct request, and end up feeling taken advantage of.


Girl that is crazy. I dated an ex who was like you- he also never told me wht was wrong, but would just sulk around, I guess in the hopes that I would somehow psychically intuit it? Even when I'd directly ask him, he'd assure me things were fine, and then mope around endlessly, again, in the vain hopes I would magically know. It was bizarre. Anyway, I dumped him. Who on earth has time for these games?! It's crazy!


Guess culture is fascinating. I think it can often just be manipulative. I get frustrated when.... little hints are laid in hopes the hinter will not have to ask. Then, when an offer is made the reply “oh really? Really? Gosh, that’s so kind of you.” and then telling people “I am so lucky. I don’t know how it happened.”

It was calculated. I saw a friend do this .... and then met his mom and was like oh my exact same approach! The awesome apartment friend sub-letted came after friend spent almost six months saying how small, loud current apt was and lease is up soon and what are you gonna do..... with a pivot to targeted compliments of another friend’s larger apartment and saying things like “yeah, you should totally move to Paris to pursue your dreams...... then “really, we can sublet from you?” the cycle started again. Angling for a larger place.

It’s was like a reality TV game show or big brother or survivor. He and his mom and maybe even the sister would win.


Whether people ask for what they want, or hint/"manipulate," everyone pursues their own agenda and is ultimately out for themselves. Even the goody goody types who are actually in pursuit of praise and Being a Good Person. Think about it.


Yes and I find it really off putting, sneak and creepy, when someone is behaving this way. Actually one of my good friends is going through a hard time and straight up asked me for some money recently. I said no that I was on a tight budget and didn't have it. He was like "Ok, just thought I'd ask" and we considered our happy conversation. Neither he was offended nor was I. A week later things were better financially for me and I called him to let him know I could give him the money and got his info for where to send it. I sent it, he thanked me, we continued our convo.

This is basic stuff that adults should be able to do. I cant stand people who either get angry when someone gives an honest answer (me telling him no regarding the money) or get angry at someone for asking (him asking me for the money). It's a REQUEST, not a demand- grow a pair of balls and some emotional maturity and figure it out!


NP. The problem is that you did not owe him an excuse. You’re allowed to not want to give other people money, and you shouldn’t need to have an excuse to tell them. That’s the issue most people have with this trashy culture of entitlement where people expect that other people will give them money (or time or carpooling service or whatever) unless they have a solid excuse not to.

Many of us understand that someone else’s money or time is not something we’re entitled to unless they have a good excuse. They don’t owe us any excuses and we shouldn’t put them in a position where they need to try to come up with one.
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