22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see percentage of new cases and deaths every day broken out by a) nursing homes and employees b) prisons and employees c) people working in health care services.

I would hypothesize those two categories account for 80% of both categories and another 10% would be people who live with those people. Which would indicate we need to start attacking this virus with a scalpel and not just a sledgehammer. It would also indicate people can stop freaking out about catching it at a supermarket or walking down the street and being passed by a runner.

I work on a covid floor. At the start, most people who were hospitalized had traveled or been in direct contact with someone who was positive. Now, half of the people we have are from nursing homes. We've had 2 health care workers hospitalized. 2 retail type workers. The rest have been community transmission of some sort.

Are these people who are working from home and staying home, except for necessities like grocery shopping? Or is it the nurse who came home and gave it to her husband?

Bump

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The data is interesting. Nursing homes: 4406 cases. 476 deaths

Assuming people in nursing homes are over 60.

Standard MD data. Over 60 year old cases: 6465. Deaths. 735

Remove the nursing home cases so people over 60 not in nursing homes. 2059. Deaths. 259
12% death rate. Super high.
But what is weird is that suddenly the group over sixty only account for 10% of the cases. Maybe they don’t get out much or maybe they are more precautious. Who knows...

I'm not a math expert but I think what you're saying is that 22% of MD's cases are in nursing homes. 10% of cases are people 60+ NOT in a nursing home. So that is 32% of all cases. I think that sounds about right. You seem to think it is lower than expected? I think the cases are spread across age groups but the deaths are more concentrated in older people.

Overall, 88% of Maryland’s deaths are in those 60 and older. 72% are among those 70 and older.

That includes nursing home deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about we get rid of - old people (above 70) and people who have not gone to college - from this country?

That's not the point being made by any stretch. The worry with COVID is community spread- the likelihood that you will pick it up doing something casual like eating in a restaurant or shopping at the mall. If the deaths and large portions of the cases are in nursing homes (where residents tend to be in the community much less, if at all) community spread is less likely.
To some extent it's also about who the virus impacts the most- if it is indeed elderly people, we can care for them, provide support for them to be in the community less, while viable treatments and vaccines are developed.
It is *not* immoral to worry about about our society and economic future- people are suffering from job loss, which does enormous long term damage to families and communities. It's immoral *not* to talk about the effects of poverty, deterioration of our children's education, and the enormous stress and anxiety that families are under right now. Kids and families matter too.

[Anonymous]

THE VIRUS DOES NOT KILL JUST OLD PEOPLE.
It kills those with medical conditions and the overweight.
It kills random healthy, younger, people.

What if it kills you? Your spouse? Your child?
There are confirmed deaths in every single age category.

I support a very careful opening, naturally, since there is no other economic option, but PLEASE DO NOT BE DISMISSIVE OF THE RISK.

Call your elected representatives to continue to invest in PPE for all, and aid to facilitate contactless technology for all businesses, and INVEST IN MORE TESTS AND TRACING.

Soon we will enter the second phase of the pandemic: opening followed by the second surge. Continue to be very cautious.

In 1-2 years, there will be a vaccine. I hope it works well (vaccines vary in their efficacy). Until then, we cannot count on this pandemic to just fizzle out by itself. We have to learn to live with our new hygiene and physical distancing lifestyle for a while.

[Anonymous]

If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
THE VIRUS DOES NOT KILL JUST OLD PEOPLE.
It kills those with medical conditions and the overweight.
It kills random healthy, younger, people.

What if it kills you? Your spouse? Your child?
There are confirmed deaths in every single age category.

I support a very careful opening, naturally, since there is no other economic option, but PLEASE DO NOT BE DISMISSIVE OF THE RISK.

Call your elected representatives to continue to invest in PPE for all, and aid to facilitate contactless technology for all businesses, and INVEST IN MORE TESTS AND TRACING.

Soon we will enter the second phase of the pandemic: opening followed by the second surge. Continue to be very cautious.

In 1-2 years, there will be a vaccine. I hope it works well (vaccines vary in their efficacy). Until then, we cannot count on this pandemic to just fizzle out by itself. We have to learn to live with our new hygiene and physical distancing lifestyle for a while.

Calm down.

88% of MD’s deaths are among those over 60 years old.

Yes, it kills a small number of younger people and even a smaller number of young, healthy people, but the inescapable fact remains that those cases are rare.

Taking the relative risk for various parts of the population of dying from this virus into account is the right way of figuring out how to reopen.

[Anonymous]

Once these folks get a major cold or flu, the nursing homes don't try to treat it or anything. You are forced to use their doctors who do nothing (or have to basically kidnap them to take them to the ER or outside doctor and if you do they don't follow the orders).

They also do a lot of force feeding but its a catch 22 as if they don't force it lots of residents don't eat. But, if it goes down wrong, they get pneumonia and die.

You really cannot take you experience in one nursing home and generalize it to the industry as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Once these folks get a major cold or flu, the nursing homes don't try to treat it or anything. You are forced to use their doctors who do nothing (or have to basically kidnap them to take them to the ER or outside doctor and if you do they don't follow the orders).

They also do a lot of force feeding but its a catch 22 as if they don't force it lots of residents don't eat. But, if it goes down wrong, they get pneumonia and die.

You really cannot take you experience in one nursing home and generalize it to the industry as a whole.

The industry is horrible. That’s a fair generalization. It’s a cesspool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
THE VIRUS DOES NOT KILL JUST OLD PEOPLE.
It kills those with medical conditions and the overweight.
It kills random healthy, younger, people.

What if it kills you? Your spouse? Your child?
There are confirmed deaths in every single age category.

I support a very careful opening, naturally, since there is no other economic option, but PLEASE DO NOT BE DISMISSIVE OF THE RISK.

Call your elected representatives to continue to invest in PPE for all, and aid to facilitate contactless technology for all businesses, and INVEST IN MORE TESTS AND TRACING.

Soon we will enter the second phase of the pandemic: opening followed by the second surge. Continue to be very cautious.

In 1-2 years, there will be a vaccine. I hope it works well (vaccines vary in their efficacy). Until then, we cannot count on this pandemic to just fizzle out by itself. We have to learn to live with our new hygiene and physical distancing lifestyle for a while.

The nursing homes, hospitals and doctors offices should be providing PPE's for all their staff. Government should not have to (glad they are). At some point, I don't get what's going on that they say they cannot get it and yet, you can buy stuff online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
THE VIRUS DOES NOT KILL JUST OLD PEOPLE.
It kills those with medical conditions and the overweight.
It kills random healthy, younger, people.

What if it kills you? Your spouse? Your child?
There are confirmed deaths in every single age category.

I support a very careful opening, naturally, since there is no other economic option, but PLEASE DO NOT BE DISMISSIVE OF THE RISK.

Call your elected representatives to continue to invest in PPE for all, and aid to facilitate contactless technology for all businesses, and INVEST IN MORE TESTS AND TRACING.

Soon we will enter the second phase of the pandemic: opening followed by the second surge. Continue to be very cautious.

In 1-2 years, there will be a vaccine. I hope it works well (vaccines vary in their efficacy). Until then, we cannot count on this pandemic to just fizzle out by itself. We have to learn to live with our new hygiene and physical distancing lifestyle for a while.

The nursing homes, hospitals and doctors offices should be providing PPE's for all their staff. Government should not have to (glad they are). At some point, I don't get what's going on that they say they cannot get it and yet, you can buy stuff online.

And the CEO of Salesforce can get millions of units of PPE to CA with a couple of calls to China. It’s pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Once these folks get a major cold or flu, the nursing homes don't try to treat it or anything. You are forced to use their doctors who do nothing (or have to basically kidnap them to take them to the ER or outside doctor and if you do they don't follow the orders).

They also do a lot of force feeding but its a catch 22 as if they don't force it lots of residents don't eat. But, if it goes down wrong, they get pneumonia and die.

You really cannot take you experience in one nursing home and generalize it to the industry as a whole.

The industry is horrible. That’s a fair generalization. It’s a cesspool.

We looked at many, spoke regularly to the ombudsman. Majority are like that but there are some good ones. Most of the ones that are medicaid use medicaid as an excuse to have less staff, less activities and quality of care saying they are paid less but they bill for "doctor's appointments where the patients don't actually see a doctor and its a 5 minute visit from a nurse and all kids of other things. They had my MIL going to see a mental health therapist when she didn't know who she was, her name or even verbal. How do you do mental heath therapy on someone like that? Huge scam. We tried therapy at an much earlier stage and the therapist terminated with her as she couldn't remember things 5 minutes later. We looked at other ones and none were any better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
THE VIRUS DOES NOT KILL JUST OLD PEOPLE.
It kills those with medical conditions and the overweight.
It kills random healthy, younger, people.

What if it kills you? Your spouse? Your child?
There are confirmed deaths in every single age category.

I support a very careful opening, naturally, since there is no other economic option, but PLEASE DO NOT BE DISMISSIVE OF THE RISK.

Call your elected representatives to continue to invest in PPE for all, and aid to facilitate contactless technology for all businesses, and INVEST IN MORE TESTS AND TRACING.

Soon we will enter the second phase of the pandemic: opening followed by the second surge. Continue to be very cautious.

In 1-2 years, there will be a vaccine. I hope it works well (vaccines vary in their efficacy). Until then, we cannot count on this pandemic to just fizzle out by itself. We have to learn to live with our new hygiene and physical distancing lifestyle for a while.

The nursing homes, hospitals and doctors offices should be providing PPE's for all their staff. Government should not have to (glad they are). At some point, I don't get what's going on that they say they cannot get it and yet, you can buy stuff online.

And the CEO of Salesforce can get millions of units of PPE to CA with a couple of calls to China. It’s pathetic.

Look at how Hogan got the tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
THE VIRUS DOES NOT KILL JUST OLD PEOPLE.
It kills those with medical conditions and the overweight.
It kills random healthy, younger, people.

What if it kills you? Your spouse? Your child?
There are confirmed deaths in every single age category.

I support a very careful opening, naturally, since there is no other economic option, but PLEASE DO NOT BE DISMISSIVE OF THE RISK.

Call your elected representatives to continue to invest in PPE for all, and aid to facilitate contactless technology for all businesses, and INVEST IN MORE TESTS AND TRACING.

Soon we will enter the second phase of the pandemic: opening followed by the second surge. Continue to be very cautious.

In 1-2 years, there will be a vaccine. I hope it works well (vaccines vary in their efficacy). Until then, we cannot count on this pandemic to just fizzle out by itself. We have to learn to live with our new hygiene and physical distancing lifestyle for a while.

The nursing homes, hospitals and doctors offices should be providing PPE's for all their staff. Government should not have to (glad they are). At some point, I don't get what's going on that they say they cannot get it and yet, you can buy stuff online.

And the CEO of Salesforce can get millions of units of PPE to CA with a couple of calls to China. It’s pathetic.

Look at how Hogan got the tests.

Yup. Really sad that it takes these informal connections and tons of money if you’re a tech exec.

[Anonymous]

A lot of people who work in nursing homes: work other jobs also to get by, do not have any paid sick leave so can’t take time off work when sick, do not have no or inadequate health insurance so are not in good health themselves. It’s no surprise people in nursing homes are getting sick when the people who work in those places are treated so poorly. No wonder the virus is spreading rapidly in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people who work in nursing homes: work other jobs also to get by, do not have any paid sick leave so can’t take time off work when sick, do not have no or inadequate health insurance so are not in good health themselves. It’s no surprise people in nursing homes are getting sick when the people who work in those places are treated so poorly. No wonder the virus is spreading rapidly in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

Sorry should say *have no or inadequate health insurance not “do not have no”