Christians are 'most persecuted group'
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Anonymous
No. We can talk about it, and it's important, but it is not happening universally (as the title implies). Christians are not The Most Persecuted Group. They are being persecuted in appalling numbers in certain areas of the world, so let's talk about what it happening to those people. It's important, although it is not happening here. Still important. |
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So who is the most persecuted group in the world today? Not in 1941, not in 1960, now? And can we have one for racial and one for religious reasons? Is it Muslims? Sikhs? Jews?
I think it is Orthodox Christians. Please explain why I am wrong? So I don't mess up the trade with the Middle East? Is that why newspapers barely report about it? Funny how Protestants don't count Orthodox Christians as Christians. Nothing changed since the crusades. |
Anonymous
Are you citing 1941 to try to discredit the notion that Jews today continue to be targeted? That's shameful. Globally, I don't know, but in the US Jews experience more hate crimes per capita than any other minority group, according to the FBI. That is NOW, not in 1941 or 1960. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-hate-crimes-up-new-data-shows-rise-in-anti-semitic-hate-crimes/ Oh -- we're also the most targeted minority group in Canada, on a per capita basis. https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism-rises-in-Canada-Jews-remain-most-targeted-minority-group-573302 |
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In the U.K., Muslims are the #1 victim of religious hate crime.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/16/hate-crime-linked-religion-doubled-three-years/ |
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I doubt any given religious group is the most persecuted everywhere (although I bet Jews have taken that unwanted title at times). Seems like it would have local, cultural drives. At least right now, religious groups seem to share the dubious honor, depending on which location you are discussing.
It's also a matter of how you define "most persecuted." You could count the number of countries where anything happens, including name-calling, or you could look at intensity, such as number of deaths or amount of torture. I would hope nobody is interested in massaging numbers to e they have it worst, just accuracy about what various people are facing. The stark reality of it is bad enough. |
Anonymous
| ^^ numbers to prove |
Anonymous
But you cannot compare US to what is happening elsewhere. We are talking about numbers, not how to manipulate statistics per capitalist, but number of victims. US by definition does not have religious persecution. People can freely practice religion |
Anonymous
You’re so naive. |
Anonymous
What a moronic thing to say. I had two grandfathers in concentration camps. The linked article talks about the Middle East and other countries and about today. Where do you get the idea of discrediting the Holocaust? Orthodox Christian persecution doesn't take away from Jewish suffering, but again we are talking about today. Do you know why in Europe we talk about the Holocaust all the time? Why there would be outrage if Germans stopped teaching their own children about it in schools? Not because kids today are to blame for it, but they will be to blame if it happens again. Let's talk about persecution today of Christians in the Middle East, why are you so stuck on hate crimes here? Topic is something else entirely, and I am not OP. US and Canada, sure, but is it that hard for you to read a few articles about the world today? Do you even realize that there were concentration camps during WWII for Orthodox Christians? Still not on par with the Jewish persecution, but very much the truth. I am the one that posted that the world never talks about Jewish persecution in every single century in Europe! And how that is shameful. But, again, talking about today does not minimize the facts of yesteryear's nor what is happening in the US. Christians persecuted today are among the poorest people in the world, why is this not in the news? For exact reasons the U.S. turned ships of fleeing Jews during WWII away, it is bad for the economy and nobody cares about some far away, maybe not quite "white" people. Don't even get me started of Egypt having black slaves well into 19th century, and persecutions of Sudanese and their own black population. Nobody in their right mind would try to discredit the Holocaust, but why aren't you able to read about TODAY? You do understand that hate crimes in the US and Canada are bad, but not on par with persecution and mass murders around the world? |
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| We get it anti antisemitism in the US is terrible, so is racism, I agree and it is shameful. But please ask yourself why you are unable to see past your door bell? Because the suffering of poor people around the world doesn't directly affect you? Isn't that how the West let the Holocaust get that bad and refused to believe that Germans were capable of it for years? |
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I am sad for Christians in Sri Lanka, Copts in Egypt, etc.
But this seems misleading It warned the religion "is at risk of disappearing" in some parts of the world, pointing to figures which claimed Christians in Palestine represent less than 1.5% of the population, while in Iraq they had fallen from 1.5 million before 2003 to less than 120,000. At least in part that is because living in the West is more appealing to Christians than it is to Muslims, so in the face of difficult material conditions, emigration by Christians is more likely. Emigration is often due to persecution, but is not always evidence for it. For example, most Moroccan Jews left Morocco in the 1950s and 1960s even though Morocco was perhaps the only Arab country where Jews faced little persecution. They went for better economic conditions and a fuller Jewish life. |
Anonymous
To be clear its a BBC piece about a report commissioned by the UK govt. That doesn't mean the report is wrong, but its not an independent look by the BBC. |
Anonymous
Your post is totally jumbled, so I'm not clear on what your point is. However, let me make a few things clear: 1. I am Jewish, as is my husband. We both have relatives who died in the Holocaust and others who survived it. My great grandparents escaped pogroms in Russia and Ukraine to come to NYC in the 1910s. I am well aware of Jewish persecution both then and today, so I'm not really clear on why you keep yelling at me about why I can't read about today. 2. I posted articles about Jewish persecution today, so again -- why are you accusing me of not being able to read about current events? 3. Nothing I said was meant to take away from or diminish persecution against Christians; I'm simply responding to a PP who asked for current statistics on persecuted groups. The reality is Jews remain the most common victim of hate crimes, per capita, in the US, Canada, and most of Europe. That, again, is not meant to minimize what is happening to other groups (Christians in the Middle East, Uighurs in China, Tibetan Buddhists, etc.), but many posters on this thread have questioned whether Jews are "really" being persecuted. I was trying to correct that notion. |
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-concentrationcamps/china-putting-minority-muslims-in-concentration-camps-us-says-idUSKCN1S925K
'China putting minority Muslims in 'concentration camps,' U.S. says WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States accused China on Friday of putting well more than a million minority Muslims in “concentration camps,” in some of the strongest U.S. condemnation to date of what it calls Beijing’s mass detention of mostly Muslim Uighur minority and other Muslim groups. |