Locker Room Question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a state funded semi private school???

No idea. Never heard of such a thing around here.

We call them charters.

That's a different thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I teach in MCPS. Let's say we had a field trip that involved swimming. It doesn't happen, but let's say it did. First of all, the chances that I'd be in a bathing suit at all are slim to none. If I was in a bathing suit, I'd have a modest cover up over it and wouldn't get in the pool as long as lifeguards were present. Even without lifeguards present I'd be better off out of the pool to be able to scan the whole pool.

But let's say for argument's sake that I did get in the pool. When I would get out of the pool I would be immediately covered in a towel and then put my cover up back on as soon as I wasn't soaking wet anymore. If I was in the locker room, I'd tell all the kids to rinse off while wearing their bathing suits. I'd stand in an area of the locker room where I could hear everything that was going on, but wouldn't be looking directly at the kids changing. I would remind parent volunteers to make sure they change in an individual stall and definitely would stop them from showering in the nude. I would be comfortable overseeing none of this, considering any amount of nudity while on the job is inappropriate in my eyes. So therefore a pool field trip would not be something I would agree to attend and oversee. But for argument's sake, this is how I would handle it. I would also make sure I wasn't the only school employee in the locker room.

For the record, I'm not a prude at all. I'm fine with nudity. But not on a school trip. There is no place for that on a school trip. So in my eyes there were several adults there that day that made really poor choices, including OP. And I'd seriously question the teacher's judgement that she thought showering nude in front of children she teaches is acceptable in any way. And that she took the parent volunteer's word that it was fine. What the hell was she thinking?

I teach in a private school, I posted above that I've done plenty of field trips and never had a kid see me naked. This is generally what I do, except that we have one chaperone (assuming 2, otherwise 1/2) get out and change in a stall before the kids get out. Then the other usually waits and changes after the dressed chaperone takes the kids up to the lobby.

Before the trip, staff put our suits on in the faculty restroom before we leave for the trip.

I teach special ed, so I am in the water, because I have kids who need support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOD FORBID SOMEONE SEE THE TEACHER'S NAUGHTY BITS

I sense that you are being sarcastic?

But I think that if anything it's better that these young girls see women with ordinary bodies be comfortable in their own skin as opposed to swimsuit model type bodies. Like it or not, it's almost impossible these days to prevent children from seeing nearly naked bodies on TV and on magazine covers at the grocery store.

I can't see how innocent non-sexual nudity in a locker room is harming them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOD FORBID SOMEONE SEE THE TEACHER'S NAUGHTY BITS

I sense that you are being sarcastic?

But I think that if anything it's better that these young girls see women with ordinary bodies be comfortable in their own skin as opposed to swimsuit model type bodies. Like it or not, it's almost impossible these days to prevent children from seeing nearly naked bodies on TV and on magazine covers at the grocery store.

I can't see how innocent non-sexual nudity in a locker room is harming them?

Part of raising kids who are protected against sexual abuse is raising kids who know what healthy boundaries are like. As a teacher, obviously it's wrong for me to groom students, and I'd never do it, but it's also wrong for me to do things that someone who was grooming students would do, even if I do it for "innocent" purposes. So, if I normalize taking of my clothes in front of students, it makes my students a little less likely to tell someone when another teacher, with less innocent motivation takes off their clothes. Similarly, I know that I could have a kid alone with me in my classroom without abusing them, but if I do that, it makes it less likely that another teacher asking them into their classroom will raise alarm bells.

So, no. I don't think kids will be harmed by seeing me naked, but they can be potentially harmed if boundaries aren't clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a state funded semi private school???

NP here, it's usually used to describe a private school where the majority of students are on vouchers.

Oh yikes like an evangelical school? I think there is a lot more going on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOD FORBID SOMEONE SEE THE TEACHER'S NAUGHTY BITS

I sense that you are being sarcastic?

But I think that if anything it's better that these young girls see women with ordinary bodies be comfortable in their own skin as opposed to swimsuit model type bodies. Like it or not, it's almost impossible these days to prevent children from seeing nearly naked bodies on TV and on magazine covers at the grocery store.

I can't see how innocent non-sexual nudity in a locker room is harming them?

Part of raising kids who are protected against sexual abuse is raising kids who know what healthy boundaries are like. As a teacher, obviously it's wrong for me to groom students, and I'd never do it, but it's also wrong for me to do things that someone who was grooming students would do, even if I do it for "innocent" purposes. So, if I normalize taking of my clothes in front of students, it makes my students a little less likely to tell someone when another teacher, with less innocent motivation takes off their clothes. Similarly, I know that I could have a kid alone with me in my classroom without abusing them, but if I do that, it makes it less likely that another teacher asking them into their classroom will raise alarm bells.

So, no. I don't think kids will be harmed by seeing me naked, but they can be potentially harmed if boundaries aren't clear.

That seems like a stretch. There is a big difference between nudity in a group after a group school activity and the sort of settings that could lead to dangerous grooming. I really don't think a kid is more likely to think nudity in a troublesome setting is ok because a teacher showered after swimming, especially with 3rd graders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is fake.

OP here.

I have no idea what makes you think that my thread is fake in any way? I don't have the time in my day for stupid wastes of time!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher and the moms should not have showered nude if you are in the US. How could you not know this?

OP here.

We don't live in DC, We are in the US, however. Maybe things are more conservative where you are? I don't see there being any issues with this being the US.

What country are you from OP?!?

This is a HUGE issue and exceptionally poor judgement by the female adults on the trip, but especially the teacher.

I am an American living in the Midwest of the country.

I know that Europeans are generally more casual about nudity, but I didn't realize that there are so Americans that have this big of an issue about same-gender nudity in a locker room. To be honest, I thought that most people were going to agree with me that it was no big deal. I kind of almost regret posting the question now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is fake.

OP here.

I have no idea what makes you think that my thread is fake in any way? I don't have the time in my day for stupid wastes of time!!!

DP. Thou doth protest too much. You have to admit there are several aspects of your post seem fairly implausible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOD FORBID SOMEONE SEE THE TEACHER'S NAUGHTY BITS

I sense that you are being sarcastic?

But I think that if anything it's better that these young girls see women with ordinary bodies be comfortable in their own skin as opposed to swimsuit model type bodies. Like it or not, it's almost impossible these days to prevent children from seeing nearly naked bodies on TV and on magazine covers at the grocery store.

I can't see how innocent non-sexual nudity in a locker room is harming them?

Part of raising kids who are protected against sexual abuse is raising kids who know what healthy boundaries are like. As a teacher, obviously it's wrong for me to groom students, and I'd never do it, but it's also wrong for me to do things that someone who was grooming students would do, even if I do it for "innocent" purposes. So, if I normalize taking of my clothes in front of students, it makes my students a little less likely to tell someone when another teacher, with less innocent motivation takes off their clothes. Similarly, I know that I could have a kid alone with me in my classroom without abusing them, but if I do that, it makes it less likely that another teacher asking them into their classroom will raise alarm bells.

So, no. I don't think kids will be harmed by seeing me naked, but they can be potentially harmed if boundaries aren't clear.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

I take my kid to swim lessons at a MoCo public outdoor pool where the showers are lined up on a wall with no dividers. Lots of adult women shower nude and some children. I think it is less common now than it used to be, but I actually agree I think it’s better for young girls to get to see a variety of real adult female bodies than only get airbrushed perfection of 20-something models. That said, no MCPS school would ever take kids swimming. I assumed it had to be a private school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing this is real. My kids freak out if they see their teacher in the grocery store. Who would think it's okay to shower naked in front of their class?

I also have trouble believing the vast majority of 3rd graders were willing to shower nude with classmates instead of staying in suits.

When my oldest daughter was around that age my husband and I had a hard time getting her to keep her clothes on. She didn't become "modest" until about the sixth grade.

Also, I have taken my daughters swimming at a YMCA for many years, and I don't recall them ever being shy about showering and changing in the locker room. I don't tend to pay attention to other peoples kids in the locker room, but I'm almost certain that I've seen many girls around that age that will run around (unfortunately, some times literally running) in the nude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I take my kid to swim lessons at a MoCo public outdoor pool where the showers are lined up on a wall with no dividers. Lots of adult women shower nude and some children. I think it is less common now than it used to be, but I actually agree I think it’s better for young girls to get to see a variety of real adult female bodies than only get airbrushed perfection of 20-something models. That said, no MCPS school would ever take kids swimming. I assumed it had to be a private school.

We had this set up at my last job. It was a little weird showering with someone else in my office and others I would work with now and then, but we got over it.

[Anonymous]

OMG. I took a bunch of kids ... coed... this age to the pool and took them into the family bathroom to change and everybody got butt naked.

I acted like no big deal because .... it was NO BIG DEAL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I take my kid to swim lessons at a MoCo public outdoor pool where the showers are lined up on a wall with no dividers. Lots of adult women shower nude and some children. I think it is less common now than it used to be, but I actually agree I think it’s better for young girls to get to see a variety of real adult female bodies than only get airbrushed perfection of 20-something models. That said, no MCPS school would ever take kids swimming. I assumed it had to be a private school.

Random women =/= teacher. The teacher is in a position of trust. See teacher's comment above about grooming students.